Underappreciated

kenny dorham is an animal · Veteran Member Joined: 15 Jan 2002 Posts: 133

no nono no NO. ROY ELDRIDGE, roy is one of the most underrated trumpet players in jazz history. He is so great collabarated a lot with dizz. Roy Eldridge=great Kenny Dorham is also slightly underated.

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dbacon · Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2002 10:07 pm Post subject:

Ron Stout! Without a doubt the deepest jazz player in L.A. Every solo makes you listen, keep your attention. Great player!!

Dave Bacon

mistrad37 · Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2002 9:06 pm Post subject:

I am going to venture far from the trumpet world, however, still remain to stay in the same musical sense. I would have to say that Frank Zappa is one of the most under- rated musicians of our time. He was such a talented arranger and composer. Listen to Hot Rats and the Grand Wazoo. That is music to the ears. Plus, he had Sal Marquez play some great jazz trumpet licks on the Grand Wazoo album. He stood up for music when everyone wanted to put it down. He stood up for Jazz, and classical when it seemed like the genres were losing an audience. He is truly a wonderful man. (Just a little weird, but aren't we all!

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mistrad37 · Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2002 9:10 pm Post subject:

As for trumpet players"

Thad Jones is very underated I think. He never seemed like he had a big following. He arranged some of the best tunes for big bands ever. Also, he could play faster than anyone else that I have heard.

Freddie Hubbard - From Indianapolis so I am a little biased! However, he really opened up the Jazz rock genre in the 60's. While Maynard was pleasing audiences, Freddie was creating and composing with that deep rich feel that he got on that Bach student trumpet with a 7c! To bad he has had all sorts of lip problems.

Guest · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2002 6:37 pm Post subject:

Seems that two really great soloists are totally absent from the list of underappreciated artists. few musicians have ever showed the great technical and harmonic sense exhibited by the late Bobby Hackett and by the still very much alive Ruby Braff. If anyone wants to hear some fantastic solo work in a more traditional style listen to Braff. He WILL blow you away

Cozy · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:33 pm Post subject:

Good heads-up on Village Vanguard. I luv the style of Scott Wendholt. Great live. Wonderful person.
Also like the energy and Connstell-sound of Jim Rotondi, appreciate Barry Ries, Tiger Okoshi et al. All of these individuals are worth a live viewing.

Cozy
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tcutrpt · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2002 7:47 pm Post subject:

Paul Merkelo is pretty fantastic. He's principle/solo trumpet with Montreal. I heard his recital at ITG. Great sound and he was nails on everything.

Matt

Cozy · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2002 12:01 am Post subject:

PH, I knew Scott Wendholt graduated from Indiana U. Thanks for educating me re Botti, too.

dbacon, Ron Stout, L.A. Please share more.

To my previous list, I'll add James Morrison, Aussie. Much of the world met him at the Sydney Olympics.

Cozy
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pfrank · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2002 6:14 am Post subject:

There are three trumpeters I haven't seen mentioned here, two are recently gone from this mortal coil, one is still quite peppy. What these three have in common is that they had/have a truly unique sound and way of playing that changes the perception of the possibilities of what the trumpet Is and can do. They were/are all artists of depth and profundity and in the case of the first two, were quite funny at times. I've cannonized those two for their "contributions to humanity."

they are:
1. Saint Lester Bowie
2. Saint Don Cherry
3. Jon Hassell

P.S. I saw Chris Botti on TV with Sting and was amazed by his sound. (Anybody know what mouthpiece he uses? Looks like an old Bach)
So I bough one of his CDs (it was just 8 bucks) and enjoyed his sound and liked the harmon-open horn overdubs, but to me, it's unfortunate that Chris's CD is more Mersh (commercial sounding) than Sting baby's own stuff (who I haven't been able to listen too since Police). It's SO synthy over-produced and the horn is mixed way back (another non-jazz Mersh convention) that my conclusion is that Chris Botti remains a fine trumpet athlete and I'm waiting for him to say something other than pleasantries. It must be his "handelers". He should dump them and try to do something dangerous.
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1B · Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2002 8:16 pm Post subject:

My vote is for Clay Jenkins. Before he took the Eastman job, he was one of the most creative cats on the L.A. scene. His playing is very soulful; from the heart.
1B

dbacon · Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2002 9:19 am Post subject:

Tom Harrell may be the most under appreciated player in Jazz. Times Mirror, very little play these days. Even though the charts were written some time ago, it opens his harmonic approach up for exam. Hear his roots, sorta!

Dave Bacon

Xenoman · Heavyweight Member Joined: 19 Nov 2001 Posts: 1206

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Wilmer · New Member Joined: 23 Nov 2001 Posts: 5 Location: NYC

Wilmer · New Member Joined: 23 Nov 2001 Posts: 5 Location: NYC

Bob Nagel recorded the Brandenburg Concerto with Don Pablo Casals, I was the assistant trumpet.
I played all of six notes.
In those days they did not splice, Nagel NAILED that sucker.
He missed ONE note in that session, he scuffed one of the high A's
Bob insisted they retake the first movement.
They were happy with the first take and had to be forced by Nagel to record it again. He played it better the second time around.
The horn Bob played was a Mahillion, I don't think they make them anymore. The mouthpiece was the one that came with the horn.
It is the fastest last movement on record.
Wilmer Wise

cornet2 · Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2002 10:45 am Post subject:

brenter · Veteran Member Joined: 14 Nov 2001 Posts: 135

I've always liked Wallace Roney, although I haven't heard as much about him as I used to. He gets criticized sometimes for sounding too much like Miles, but I don't think it's fair. He's very forward thinking, as has the most incredible trumpet sound. In fact, he's the reason I switched to playing Committees when I was in college.

Quadruple C · Heavyweight Member Joined: 28 Nov 2001 Posts: 1448

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brenter · Veteran Member Joined: 14 Nov 2001 Posts: 135

Quad C:

Yeah, those are pretty horns. I broke down and bought a black one with all the fancy engraving. It's plays great, plus no matter how bad I might happen to sound, people still seem to dig the horn. Wallace must have a closet full of horns, as he seems to be playing a new one whenever I see a photo of him. Also, nearly every mouthpiece maker I've contacted says that Wallace is a customer of there's.

Quadruple C · Heavyweight Member Joined: 28 Nov 2001 Posts: 1448

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brenter · Veteran Member Joined: 14 Nov 2001 Posts: 135

Quad C:

Do you have "Misterios?" I love Wallace's interpretation of "In Her Family"; that melody is a great vehicle for him. I also like his Muse CDs "Crunchin" and "Munchin," as they show how he plays on things that I work on.

When you talked with him, did he give any insight towards improvisation? His approach sounds to me like 60's Miles or Don Cherry, where it's very chromatic and not just related to running the chord changes. I'd love to take a lesson from him.