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frmoose
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 Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:41 pm Post subject: Looking to Buy a Flugelhorn |
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| I'm looking for a Yamaha 8310z flugelhorn, or something similar, for a decent price. Let me know if you know of anything out there or just make suggestions (the more specific the reasons, the better) as to what type of horn I should get. Just curious. |
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shofarguy
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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If you are a Yamaha fan, I have only read good things about that horn. If you are open to other horns, then here is the list I would try.
Dut, duh-duh, du-u-u-h!
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Flugelhorn - This is the most open and even playing small bore flugel I have experienced. It will not turn trumpety in the upper register, like some other flugels I have owned, or played, or heard. Magnificent!
Hub Van Laar Oirum - What Arturo plays, now. Lovely tone (like, OMG wonderful) when Arturo plays it with a Flip Oakes Extreme Series Flugelhorn mouthpiece. Does turn trumpety a little bit in the upper range even with Arturo playing. I've never played one.
Tony Scodwell Copper Bell - 'Cuz it looks just too darn cool.  I bet it sounds a lot like the WT, as it looks similar in important ways. I've never played or heard one.
Kanstul Chicago 1025 - My first flugelhorn. Less expensive than these others, but with the change to a French taper mouthpipe (oh, and you order one with a copper bell...Ooh, be still my beating heart!), it can hang with these big dogs pretty well. It will definitely get trumpety at the top of the staff and it feels a little stuffy up there, too.
It took a pretty good deal for me to switch from mine to the Wild Thing. It's my favorite Kanstul Flugelhorn; just a step below these others. I tried one or two Yamahas at Ferguson's Music before I bought my Chicago 1025. It's a hardware "feel" thing for me, as well as the sound concept.
Brino
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joefab
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:08 am Post subject: |
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Hello,
If you are interested, I am selling a brand new Oriam Flugel horn. It has never been used. It is in red brushed gold with polished red gold trim and bell wash.
It is a great sounding horn...very "emotional". The valves are Bauerfiend, and the are fast! It is a great sounding and looking horn.
I can include a Marcus Bonna case. the case is for 4 trumpets or a trumpet and flugel. The case is in BRAND NEW condition in leather with the Hub Van Laar logo.
I also have the matching Bb Oriam Trumpet. Same finish and same condition!
Let me know if you are interested. I can send pictures.
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Retlaw
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| joefab wrote: | Hello,
If you are interested, I am selling a brand new Oriam Flugel horn. It has never been used. It is in red brushed gold with polished red gold trim and bell wash.
It is a great sounding horn...very "emotional". The valves are Bauerfiend, and the are fast! It is a great sounding and looking horn.
I can include a Marcus Bonna case. the case is for 4 trumpets or a trumpet and flugel. The case is in BRAND NEW condition in leather with the Hub Van Laar logo.
I also have the matching Bb Oriam Trumpet. Same finish and same condition!
Let me know if you are interested. I can send pictures.
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 There has got to be a story behind this..... my dream team of instruments.....would love to see photographs. I have the Oiram flugel in raw bass and it is fantastic.
Walter |
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joefab
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Yes, I agree. They are great instruments.
The story is I ordered these horns and received them last year. However, since I am only a comeback player, when I unpacked the horns, I was shocked at how beautiful they were. Frankly, I was scared to play them...and I have to admit...I was and still am intimidated to play them!
I love the sounds they make...and the valves! Anyway, they literally just sit in the case in the closet. I take them out to clean and polish them every now and then...also to admire the beauty of the instruments and the artistry and detail that went into building it.
I just feel that some one more worthy to play these horns will be better owners that me.
I will try and take good pictures tomorrow.. However, you can see them on the Hub Van Laar website. They are exactly the same.
Thanks for your comment.
Best regards,
Joe |
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veldkamp
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| shofarguy wrote: |
Hub Van Laar Oirum - What Arturo plays, now. Lovely tone (like, OMG wonderful) when Arturo plays it with a Flip Oakes Extreme Series Flugelhorn mouthpiece. Does turn trumpety a little bit in the upper range even with Arturo playing. I've never played one. |
It's an Oiram, not Oirum, It's from "Mario" backwards written.
How can you say "does turn trumpety a litle bit in the upper range" and then say you never played one... 
BTW, I play one myself so I know the horn very well.
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ohiotpt
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| veldkamp wrote: | | shofarguy wrote: |
Hub Van Laar Oirum - What Arturo plays, now. Lovely tone (like, OMG wonderful) when Arturo plays it with a Flip Oakes Extreme Series Flugelhorn mouthpiece. Does turn trumpety a little bit in the upper range even with Arturo playing. I've never played one. |
It's an Oiram, not Oirum, It's from "Mario" backwards written.
How can you say "does turn trumpety a litle bit in the upper range" and then say you never played one...
BTW, I play one myself so I know the horn very well. |
It appears that Brian is basing his opinion on Arturo's playing of the horn.
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jazzothman
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| The best flugelhorn I have ever played the Oiram from Hub Van Laar. I used to own the Yamaha 6310Z flugelhorn and the Kanstul 1525 and I can tell you that Oiram flugelhorn play much more better and I even get compliment fellow musician when I played the horn. |
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Mark Bradley
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| shofarguy wrote: | If you are a Yamaha fan, I have only read good things about that horn. If you are open to other horns, then here is the list I would try.
Dut, duh-duh, du-u-u-h!
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Flugelhorn - This is the most open and even playing small bore flugel I have experienced. It will not turn trumpety in the upper register, like some other flugels I have owned, or played, or heard. Magnificent!
Hub Van Laar Oirum - What Arturo plays, now. Lovely tone (like, OMG wonderful) when Arturo plays it with a Flip Oakes Extreme Series Flugelhorn mouthpiece. Does turn trumpety a little bit in the upper range even with Arturo playing. I've never played one.
Tony Scodwell Copper Bell - 'Cuz it looks just too darn cool. I bet it sounds a lot like the WT, as it looks similar in important ways. I've never played or heard one.
Kanstul Chicago 1025 - My first flugelhorn. Less expensive than these others, but with the change to a French taper mouthpipe (oh, and you order one with a copper bell...Ooh, be still my beating heart!), it can hang with these big dogs pretty well. It will definitely get trumpety at the top of the staff and it feels a little stuffy up there, too.
Brino |
I would humbly submit that one could add the new NYTC "Broadway" flugelhorn to the list of top contenders. It's made by Taylor:
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-NYTC-Broadway-Flugelhorn-/170507146625?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Brass_Instruments&hash=item27b3049581
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shofarguy
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| veldkamp wrote: | | shofarguy wrote: |
Hub Van Laar Oirum - What Arturo plays, now. Lovely tone (like, OMG wonderful) when Arturo plays it with a Flip Oakes Extreme Series Flugelhorn mouthpiece. Does turn trumpety a little bit in the upper range even with Arturo playing. I've never played one. |
It's an Oiram, not Oirum, It's from "Mario" backwards written.
How can you say "does turn trumpety a litle bit in the upper range" and then say you never played one...
BTW, I play one myself so I know the horn very well. |
Veldkamp,
Thank you for correctly spelling the name for me. To answer your question, it is because of what I heard at the Vibrato Grill, Jazz, etc... when I went to hear Arturo and his band play. Actually, the only way I know for sure that a Kanstul 1025 gets trumpety is because I heard another player on my horn and couldn't miss it.
How do I know it isn't the player? Well these two guys are among the best players I know and don't have tone concept issues or things like that. They can expose the strengths and faults of a horn because they are that good.
Secondly, it is because, in both cases, the player was using an Extreme flugelhorn mouthpiece, which gives the most non-trumpet sound of any mouthpiece I know of, by far. With this piece, a flugel sounds very much like a French horn in its upper register. So if Arturo's horn turned trumpety on him, I assume it will on others, too.
But... If a player is using a more conventional mouthpiece, the tone may have a more trumpet-like sound already, so the change in timbre is overcome by brightening the bottom register, somewhat. Don't read this as a criticism.
I could be off the mark, and I can't disclose why I believe this, but there is one design element in particular that I think governs the evenness of a flugel's timbre throughout it's range. The Scodwell and Wild Thing horns have this in common, while the others don't. This is why I suppose that the Scodwell sounds similar to the WT, especially in this aspect.
Brian
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Retlaw
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:21 am Post subject: |
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It is a funny old world this "concept of sound".... on Arturo's latest album I thought his playing on the Wild Thing sounded "flugel" like....
Walter |
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shofarguy
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| Retlaw wrote: | It is a funny old world this "concept of sound".... on Arturo's latest album I thought his playing on the Wild Thing sounded "flugel" like....
Walter |
Actually, Walter, much of the album was played on the Oiram. As far as I can discern from listening to it and talking with Flip, the sections where it is obviously trumpet ( the opening song and those with Harmon, for example ) are on the WT. The rest is flugelhorn.
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Retlaw
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| shofarguy wrote: | | Retlaw wrote: | It is a funny old world this "concept of sound".... on Arturo's latest album I thought his playing on the Wild Thing sounded "flugel" like....
Walter |
Actually, Walter, much of the album was played on the Oiram. As far as I can discern from listening to it and talking with Flip, the sections where it is obviously trumpet ( the opening song and those with Harmon, for example ) are on the WT. The rest is flugelhorn.
Brian |
That explains it Brian...for some reason I was under the impression that most of the songs would be on the WT? Sounds good either way..
Walter |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:53 am Post subject: |
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I've always liked Yamaha (see signature line, and I've owned a few other Yamahas besides my original one, a 731) flugels. I think they SOUND like what I believe a flugelhorn should (dark), and they've always been reasonably priced. That's also a factor for me, as I don't use one nearly as much as I do a trumpet.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| shofarguy wrote: | | veldkamp wrote: | | shofarguy wrote: |
Hub Van Laar Oirum - What Arturo plays, now. Lovely tone (like, OMG wonderful) when Arturo plays it with a Flip Oakes Extreme Series Flugelhorn mouthpiece. Does turn trumpety a little bit in the upper range even with Arturo playing. I've never played one. |
It's an Oiram, not Oirum, It's from "Mario" backwards written.
How can you say "does turn trumpety a litle bit in the upper range" and then say you never played one...
BTW, I play one myself so I know the horn very well. |
Veldkamp,
Thank you for correctly spelling the name for me. To answer your question, it is because of what I heard at the Vibrato Grill, Jazz, etc... when I went to hear Arturo and his band play. Actually, the only way I know for sure that a Kanstul 1025 gets trumpety is because I heard another player on my horn and couldn't miss it.
How do I know it isn't the player? Well these two guys are among the best players I know and don't have tone concept issues or things like that. They can expose the strengths and faults of a horn because they are that good.
Secondly, it is because, in both cases, the player was using an Extreme flugelhorn mouthpiece, which gives the most non-trumpet sound of any mouthpiece I know of, by far. With this piece, a flugel sounds very much like a French horn in its upper register. So if Arturo's horn turned trumpety on him, I assume it will on others, too.
But... If a player is using a more conventional mouthpiece, the tone may have a more trumpet-like sound already, so the change in timbre is overcome by brightening the bottom register, somewhat. Don't read this as a criticism.
I could be off the mark, and I can't disclose why I believe this, but there is one design element in particular that I think governs the evenness of a flugel's timbre throughout it's range. The Scodwell and Wild Thing horns have this in common, while the others don't. This is why I suppose that the Scodwell sounds similar to the WT, especially in this aspect.
Brian |
If you talk about flugelhorn sound is very subjective. To me Chuck Mangione is the only player who I felt has that real flugel sound not doubt there are others well know artists players who sound good on the flugelhorn. |
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shofarguy
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:18 am Post subject: |
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Jazzothman,
You are so right about flugel sound preferences! There are such varied sounds that can come from those horns.
Personally, I don't really know what I sound like, but I have heard incredible things come out of Arturo's current flugelhorn. With his Hub van Laar and F.O. Extreme mouthpiece, I have heard sounds like tenor saxophone, alto flute, trombone, French horn and a creamy, steamy flugel sound like no other!
I can only hope that I sound like I'm actually still playing a flugelhorn in comparison! 
Brian
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Incredibly nice tone and subtle playing!
I'm very surprised because I've seen on YouTube the video of Ack Van Rooyen and a few others musicians playing "'round midnight", and he sounded sooooo brighter!!!
But this clip... Love it!!! 
Do you know which mouthpiece(s) he's used to play?
I doubt a lot that he was playing the same mpc in the YouTube video and in the soundtrack available at HVL's website! 
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