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Mdbri
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 Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:37 pm Post subject: Car Wax on Raw Brass Horn |
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What kind of car wax should I use on a raw brass horn?
Any particular kind/component I should stay away from?
Liquid, paste, spray-on?
Mind you, giving brand names will not help me much, since I do not live in the US, and brands are different here.
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Wondering, why do you want to use any wax on it?
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I wouldn't use any products of this type- if you choose the raw brass road then you live with the horn tarnishing. I would hesitate to put any of these chemicals on my horn which will be absorbed by you when you play-that can't be good. If you want a shiny horn then go with lacquer.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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I've heard of people using car wax. The only caution I have heard is to stay away from a wax with silicone in it. It will leave a residue that will be very difficult to get off if was ever to be lacquered again.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Bill Ortiz wrote: | | I wouldn't use any products of this type- if you choose the raw brass road then you live with the horn tarnishing. I would hesitate to put any of these chemicals on my horn which will be absorbed by you when you play-that can't be good. If you want a shiny horn then go with lacquer. |
Word.
If you want a raw brass horn - then use a raw brass horn and don't put any junk on it.
If you want a horn with a protective coating - get a lacquer or silver or gold horn.
Putting some kind of "coating" or "wax" or something on raw brass defeats the purpose of it and is very... a Red Green solution - for those of you who know.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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I think you'd be a ok with a little ear wax or nose oil . . . 
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http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/detail/MEG+A2216
This is what I use, works quite well to retard tarnish. To strip the wax, should the need arise, plain old acetone with take it right off.
FWIW, works just as well on lacquered finishes to really shine them up.
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| plp wrote: | http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/detail/MEG+A2216
This is what I use, works quite well to retard tarnish. To strip the wax, should the need arise, plain old acetone with take it right off.
FWIW, works just as well on lacquered finishes to really shine them up. |
Since I don't want my brass to tarnish or absorb any compounds from the brass, I'll use some spray on some crazy chemicals to "protect" it and me, and then use even nastier chemicals to remove it when I want - Wow.
Feel free to carry on with it, I just felt the need to expose the absurdity of it. 
I'm pretty sure all the unnecessary chemicals that American surround themselves with are having the collective affect of making the populace dumber. In a few generations they'll be selling a specialized spray for every possible use (and making loads of money off of it) - meanwhile people will be too dumb to do anything other than breathe. Immigrant labor will be required to change the channel because no one in the native population will have the ability to do it on their own, anymore.
Do as you will...
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If anything, neutral shoe wax.
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mdbri
Its your horn,if you want to put a film of wax on it then do so. I rather like the effect of waxed brass(a "muted "glow, for want of a better term) and cant see why anyone would be so against the idea.
Any good quality,non abrasive car wax will do the job. Paste waxes usually do a good job.
I cant think of any potential health risks, and hot water and a strong detergent will remove it if need be. You wont need to use a solvent, unless you plan on having the horn lacquered.
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| Thanks, Laurie, great reply. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:34 am Post subject: Waxing |
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I have recommended car wax to give some resistance to tarnishing on my Scodwell USA trumpets if the person who owns it doesn't want to plate or lacquer the horn. My feelings on all of this is that a good carnuba car wax is inert when dry and polished and wouldn't have any reaction to contact with your hands. I would think that by now the regulating authorities would have required warnings on products such as this if any of the available products had shown to be toxic upon contact. Think for a moment what we are in contact with on a daily basis in our everyday lives and you might be inclined to become a Seinfeld "Bubble Boy".
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| Johnson's furniture wax or (expensive) pure carnuba car waxes would be good. If you used a car wax with silicone, a person wanting to finish the horn in lacquer later would want to know. They would either need a superb cleaning system (a vapor degreaser) or use an additive called fisheye preventer. The silicone can cause wierd spots that look like... fisheyes. |
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I agree with Tony Scodwell
The first thing to consider is that if you want to keep your raw brass horn polished and clean...waxing the horn is not a cure for avoiding polishing it.
The brass will still oxidize and develop a patina even if it is waxed..it just happens at a slower rate.
Experienced metal sculptors in the artistic world who work with copper, bronze, and brass alloys..work with special chemicals to color the metal.
Metal patination with chemicals is a tool in the art world...just as paints and brushes. Johnson's Paste Wax has been the standard with metal sculptors for decades.
A patinated and waxed raw brass trumpet is beautiful.
The trumpet will not be harmed by using any automotive wax products. You can use hard paste wax for a base coat..then use spray wax to keep it wiped down...or forget the paste wax and just use the spray. Armor-All type sprays will even work..but you need to wipe down pretty good otherwise your trumpet may be slippery. Try anything you want..if you don't like..don't use it.
Raw brass is toxic for anyone with a brass allergy. I am not aware of any ongoing issues regarding people having allergies to wax products. If you are a person that has a skin allergy sensitivity to any products...then don't use it.
If anyone plans on lacquering the horn later on..the shops use hot vapor degreasers that will remove any wax or grease in about 10 seconds.
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Crazy Finn - I'm with ya! And they call us crazy . . . 
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| Crazy Finn wrote: |
Since I don't want my brass to tarnish or absorb any compounds from the brass, I'll use some spray on some crazy chemicals to "protect" it and me, and then use even nastier chemicals to remove it when I want - Wow.
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Last time I checked, carnauba wax was about as benign as it gets, hence my choice as opposed to some of the petroleum based waxes.
From Wiki
"Because of its hypoallergenic and emollient properties as well as its shine, carnauba wax appears as an ingredient in many cosmetics formulas where it is used to thicken lipstick, eyeliner, mascara, eye shadow, foundation, deodorant, various skin care preparations, sun care preparations, etc.[citation needed] It is also used to make Cutler's resin."
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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When is the last time you heard of someone getting ill, or having an allergic reaction while washing and waxing their car?
It's one thing to worry about exposure to chemicals, and another to be completely paranoid about things that have been in very wide use for decades without known harmful effects.
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| RandyTX wrote: | When is the last time you heard of someone getting ill, or having an allergic reaction while washing and waxing their car?
It's one thing to worry about exposure to chemicals, and another to be completely paranoid about things that have been in very wide use for decades without known harmful effects. |
Most chemicals don't cause an immediate reaction (like an allergy). The strong and nasty ones do - but they're not like an "allergy." You just get dizzy and a headache. Any allergy comparison is a stupid one.
The real danger in these everyday chemicals is constant exposure to them - long term. The effect of all the various unnecessary things that people use (like anyone needs Ammonia to wash windows!) is cumulative. No - waxing your car probably won't make you sick. No - using some kind of shower cleaner in the bathroom won't make you sick (though some of them are quite strong). It's the cumulative effect of all these thousands of products that Americans use and surround themselves with everyday that's not good for you.
The argument about "things being around and in use for decades" is also flawed. Knowledge of the effects of chemicals usually lags far behind their usage. Lead was used for a long time to seal canned goods - exposing people to harmful amounts before it's harmful effects were discovered. It's a difficult process to firmly establish health risks for various chemicals - and one that is rarely aided and often obstructed by the industry that produces them.
So, I only say - read the ingredient or contents and make your own decisions. It's possible a given brand of car wax does not have anything to be concerned about. However, people rarely bother to even check. I find the willful ignorance of most Americans about such things troubling, frustrating, and amusing. They blindly trust anything that is put up in the shelves of a store, a behavior that citizens elsewhere do not share.
Honestly, I don't care what you use or exposure yourself to (just don't do it near me). Your personal health is of little concern to me. Do as you wish.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| plp wrote: | | Crazy Finn wrote: |
Since I don't want my brass to tarnish or absorb any compounds from the brass, I'll use some spray on some crazy chemicals to "protect" it and me, and then use even nastier chemicals to remove it when I want - Wow.
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Last time I checked, carnauba wax was about as benign as it gets, hence my choice as opposed to some of the petroleum based waxes. |
Well, apparently, you've given this more thought than the average bear. Good for you! (seriously!)
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Crazy Finn,
Thank you for the heads up on what is stupid..and for pointing out the ignorance of Americans. We are fortunate that you have shared with us your inspiring insight and knowledge...and also for your approval that we be allowed to make our own choices.
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