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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:06 pm    Post subject: Lawrence Welk's Trumpet Section Reply with quote

Hi All,

Just curious - who were the guys that played with Lawrence Welk? Always a tight sounding section.

Matt
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I could find by Googling:
Michael Manthey of Maynard Ferguson fame.
Johnny Zell
Dick Cathcart
Mickey McMahan
Norman Bailey
Rocky Rockwell
Jules Herman
Curt Ramsey
Benny Bailey
Wes Shellhaas (road fill in)
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't the Internet great!


Norman Bailey, trumpet (19551973)
Rocky Rockwell, trumpet (19551962)
Woody Guidry, trumpet (19551956)
Art Depew, trumpet (19571965)
George Thow, trumpet/production staff (19561982)
Warren Luening, trumpet (19591960)
Dick Cathcart, trumpet (19621968)
Charlie Parlato, trumpet (19621982)
Jim Porter, trumpet (1965)
Rubin Zarchy, trumpet (1968)
Ray Linn, trumpet (19681969)
Johnny Zell, trumpet (19681982)
Mickey McMahan, trumpet (19671982)
Laroon Holt, trumpet (19731982)
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about Lin Biviano. Im not very familiar with the show, but he is the only trumpet player I knew had been on the show. When I looked him up he was listed as musical director. Either way. One of the few times I have watched a section of the show I saw him play on the show. I actually met a saxophone player who held a spot in The Welk band fro a while and he had a few stories about working with Lin Biviano.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This reaffirms my suspicions about using internet search tools to do "research" on historical items. Two different people went through the same basic exercise, and came up with different lists of names (with some overlap). Both were probably convinced they had it right as well. Nothing against either poster, but any information "pre-internet" time period seems to be more than a little bit of a shot in the dark as far as accuracy goes.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RandyTX wrote:
This reaffirms my suspicions about using internet search tools to do "research" on historical items.


There's nothing wrong with using the Internet for doing research on historical items, so long as you have a sense about the nature and reliability of the source document, just as you would with non-Internet research.

And, for the purposes of this discussion (i.e., informal discussion), it's more than fine. In fact, it's fueled the discussion.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RandyTX wrote:
This reaffirms my suspicions about using internet search tools to do "research" on historical items. Two different people went through the same basic exercise, and came up with different lists of names (with some overlap). Both were probably convinced they had it right as well. Nothing against either poster, but any information "pre-internet" time period seems to be more than a little bit of a shot in the dark as far as accuracy goes.


I think the Internet is the greatest research tool in human history. I pulled up and posted my Welk list in less than 60 seconds. I never intended it to be, or believed it to be, a final, complete or historically perfect record. Nor did the OP ask for that... but if I invested as much as five minutes I probably could have made it that as well. Without the Internet there would be no lists.....no data of any kind for the OP.

The point that it has limitations is duly noted. It is not perfect, but I find it to be very helpful, and second to none for questions such as those posted by OP. No disrespect to anyone intended.......but when you can search a half a billion sources in the matter of a few seconds you have an extraordinarily powerful research tool.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's possible that both lists could be correct. There could have been a lot of turn over or change-ups for road trips etc. Oft times performers moved with the better paying work. Some of the Big Bands were this way and had a lot of turn over.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Lawrence Welk's Trumpet Section Reply with quote

CMUSoloCornet wrote:
Hi All,

Just curious - who were the guys that played with Lawrence Welk? Always a tight sounding section.

Matt



Hi Matt,

I've aways liked the following link about The Lawrence Welk Show. It lists ALL the cast (go to "more") and when they passed away. It also shares about those still living.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047749/

Best wishes,

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jazz_trpt wrote:
RandyTX wrote:
This reaffirms my suspicions about using internet search tools to do "research" on historical items.


There's nothing wrong with using the Internet for doing research on historical items, so long as you have a sense about the nature and reliability of the source document, just as you would with non-Internet research.

And, for the purposes of this discussion (i.e., informal discussion), it's more than fine. In fact, it's fueled the discussion.


I was just doing a quick search on what anyone could find by googling Lawrence Welk Trumpet Players. The info was scattered. Whether all were accurate would depend on the accuracy of the Googled sites.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indian wrote:
It's possible that both lists could be correct. There could have been a lot of turn over or change-ups for road trips etc. Oft times performers moved with the better paying work. Some of the Big Bands were this way and had a lot of turn over.


Welk played for many years. One person's name I found played with him in 1938. Lots of turnover would be the norm in a big band, not the exception.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a remember one of the trumpet players - Johnny Zell returning to play in the Branson show several years ago.

Mike
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trptbenge wrote:
I think a remember one of the trumpet players - Johnny Zell returning to play in the Branson show several years ago.

Mike


Johnny Zell currently lives in a small Oregon coastal community called Pacific City. I have never crossed paths with him but would certainly consider it a pleasure.

http://www.jazell.com/
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:50 am    Post subject: Lawrence Welk Trumpet Section Reply with quote

Having been a member of the Local 47 beginning in 1982, knowing several L.A. musicians and having spoken with them in research for a book I wrote, I can honestly say that some of the trumpet players listed by mffan and pfeifela are correct. The ones I know positively played with Lawrence Welk were:
Norman Bailey
Rocky Rockwell
George Thow
Art Depew
Warren Luening
Dick Cathcart

The most well-known section as seen on the later Lawrence Welk Shows were:
Mickey McMahon on Lead Trumpet
Laroon Holt
Johnny Zell
Charlie Parlato

This is not to say the others mentioned did not play for Welk. At this time, I don't have enough information on them. As for Lin Biviano, I am not exactly sure when he played with Welk, but he does lead the Lawrence Welk Orchestra in Branson, Missouri. I will ask my buddy that plays with Lin in Boston.

I hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As to the Lawrence Welk Show, I have always found the following link to be interesting, especially "full cast and crew" which might offer additional insight. If not, if is still an interesting link:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047749/

Best wishes,

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems like I remember reading an interview with Johnny Zell a few years ago about his time spent with Lawrence Welk. I have heard that ol' Lawrence was a tad hard to work for.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tank you, Boice !!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember watching a Welk show sometime in the late '50's - early 60's where the trumpet section came to the front individually and introduced themselves. The only one I remember was Rocky Rockwell, who said, "I'm Rocky Rockwell from Hannibal, Mo. I know I look funny, but my hair won't grow." Anyone else remember that segment?? I also remember Dick Cathcart being in the section, but I'm not sure of the year. Cathcart was the cornet player who did the soundtract of the Jack Webb movie "Young Man With A Horn', I think. Anyone confirm??

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bit more on Rocky Rockwell
http://petekellysblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/rocky-rockwell.html
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:32 am    Post subject: Lawrence welk's trumpet section Reply with quote

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Cathcart was the cornet player who did the soundtract of the Jack Webb movie "Young Man With A Horn', I think. Anyone confirm??


Actually Cathcart did the soundtrack on Webb's "Pete Kelly's Blues". I believe that Harry James did the soundtrack of Kirk Douglas on "A Young Man With A Horn". BOTH are GREAT movies!!!

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