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MFHorn13
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:02 pm    Post subject: Bach 5D Reply with quote

Does anyone have any experience with a Bach 5D? For years, I played a 7D, and used it for almost everything. Then, I later switched to a regular Bach 5C, 5C Megatone and a Schilke 14A4A. My curiousity is about the "blend" of the old 7D and the 5C varieties that I've come accustomed to. Does a 5D exist?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bach doesn't make a 5D, but Jim New at Kanstul can definitely blend a 5C rim with a 7D cup if that's what you're after. If you ask him to match it to a B76 backbore and a Bach blank it should work great based on what you've said.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try a Curry 5DE. It might be a little shallower than what you're looking for but it's not too expensive and probably worth a try.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its funny you mentioned the Bach 5D today. I was just "browsing" http://abel.hive.no/trumpet/playerhorn/ , and I noted that Gerard Schwarz plays a Bach 5C for regular trumpet and a 5D for piccolo trumpet. I recently purchased a Schilke B1 trumpet (that I absolutely love).I found I preferred a Bach 5C megatone with the B1. One of these days, I hope to play the piccolo trumpet and was considering the Bach 5D or 5E. I hope you get alot of feedback on your forum question, as I'm interested in the Bach 5D,too.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Curry mouthpieces are the way to go. You'll get a wide assortment of cup shapes with the Bach rim you're used to. The fact that they are cheap is icing on the cake!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a burning question about the Bach 5D and Curry mouthpieces. Since this forum question began, I've been looking at various trumpet mouthpiece comparison charts. I don't think (of the ones I found on the internet) are alike. What I have found, and believe is correct, is that the Bach 5C is 16.26 mm or .640 inches and a medium cup. It appears that a similar Curry mouthpiece would be a Curry 8.5C. Am I right? I would also go with a Curry 8.5Z for a piccolo trumpet mouthpiece that might be similar to the Bach 5D. Since Bach doesn't make a 5D, I can't find any specs.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rooster7 wrote:
I have a burning question about the Bach 5D and Curry mouthpieces. Since this forum question began, I've been looking at various trumpet mouthpiece comparison charts. I don't think (of the ones I found on the internet) are alike. What I have found, and believe is correct, is that the Bach 5C is 16.26 mm or .640 inches and a medium cup. It appears that a similar Curry mouthpiece would be a Curry 8.5C. Am I right? I would also go with a Curry 8.5Z for a piccolo trumpet mouthpiece that might be similar to the Bach 5D. Since Bach doesn't make a 5D, I can't find any specs.
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Hi Mark

Bach mouthpieces are generally larger than specified. A Curry 5C would therefore be the equivalent of a Bach 5C.

All the best

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know. I just tried a Curry 5C and it felt bigger and deeper than my Bach 5C.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was it a Curry 5C or 5C. ? There is a difference.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope I'm not deviating from MFHORN13's forum question, but can anybody suggest a internet site that has a credible mouthpiece comparison chart? Just one example-I noted one chart says that a the Yamaha equivelent of a Bach 5C is a Yamaha 9C4. The Yamaha chart says it should be a 14C4. I have to agree with Yamaha because I have a inside/outside micrometer and it is reading .640 inches for both the Bach 5C and Yamaha 14C4. I don't have a 9C4 to measure, but it must be alot smaller.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue Trane,

It is a 5C, no dot.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The no dot Currys are modeled after the Mt Vernon Bach mouthpieces. The newer ones with a dot more closely resemble the modern Bach sizes. Generally speaking the Mt Vernons are larger inner diameter wise than the modern versions.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I may be wrong, but I have a feeling that it is only the 3C which is available as a 3C and 3C., simply because the Curry mouthpieces are based on the Bach mount vernon mouthpieces, and the Mount Vernon 3C was larger than a modern 3C, more like a modern Bach 1 1/2C.

One thing to bear in mind, is that although I have never heard this officially, I understand that post-strike Bach re-tooled their mouthpiece production, using the set of cherrys that Vincent Bach have kept aside as a perfect example of each model, to create the new tooling. If I understand correctly, this would mean that the post strike Bach mouthpieces are pretty much sized as the specifications suggest.

I understand that the first CNC produced Bach mouthpieces were based on what had become a typical size for each model, as owing to wearing of the tooling, the mouthpieces gradually became larger than specified until the tooling was changed, with larger than specified becoming the norm.

I find a new Bach 3C to be considerably smaller than my 2005 Bach 3C. I haven't tried a Curry 3C., but have heard that they still feel larger than a Bach 3C. I suppose that it depends on what Bach 3C you are comparing them to. I believe that the Curry 3C. is supposed to reflect the size of a pre-strike 3C, such as my 2005, rather than the very latest ones.

I have tried several Curry cornet mouthpieces in the 5 size, 5VC, 5DC and 5TC, simply because the person who was kind enough to lend them to me, played this size.

I personally didn't feel that they were that different in size to my 2005 Bach 3C, but I have never played a Curry 3C. or a Bach 5C, so really can't say.

Possibly the Curry 7C may have a cup diameter more like that of a post-strike Bach 5C, but it will have a Bach 7C rim profile rather than a Bach 5C, hence my suggestion of the Curry 5C as being a Bach 5C equivalent.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:52 am    Post subject: 5D? Reply with quote

Blue Trane wrote:
Try a Curry 5DE. It might be a little shallower than what you're looking for but it's not too expensive and probably worth a try.


Also look at the 5M or 5* (for commercial work). The 60M would also be a good possibility.

I think the dot thing in Curry pieces applied only to the 3 rim.

(Mark, are you out there Dude? Correct me if I am wrong.)
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: 5D? Reply with quote

Ed Kennedy wrote:
I think the dot thing in Curry pieces applied only to the 3 rim.

My bad. I'm likely mistaken. I've been checking out Curry 3Cs and thought the dot thing applied to other sizes as well.
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