Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9030 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:24 pm Post subject:
shofarguy wrote:
Get over it. It's Yankee, Frog, Kraut, Jap, Red. Language from a different era. Go on now and pimp your ride! I'm down with that.
EXCUSE ME?! Jap carries the same weight as the N word. It's pretty offensive and hardly the same as the other examples you used. I'm really surprised at your response.
Roger - thanks. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Joined: 23 May 2009 Posts: 633 Location: Boston, MA
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:41 pm Post subject:
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4B is about right for us average players.
Hehe. Well, I was thinking in terms of the "ideal" BBB sound, and Black Dyke is the ideal sound to me. But I've always believed anybody can do whatever he wants if it works.
Hans Gansch is playing a Schagerl cornet in the clip.
They have 2 models, don't know exactly which one of those Hans is playing here. But indeed he does sound great ... but then again ... Hans would probably sound great on any trumpet/cornet you would give him. _________________ Trumpet : Yamaha YTR-9335CHS + Yamaha YTR-6335H
Trumpet mouthpieces : Lotus 2L (main) + Lotus 2L2
Flugelhorn : Kanstul 1525 with Curry 1,5FL
Cornet : Conn 80a (1919) with Curry 1,5 BBC + Curry 1,5 VC + GR L66,9 #6
Joined: 16 Aug 2011 Posts: 1323 Location: Twixt the Moor and the Sea, UK
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:29 am Post subject:
andybharms wrote:
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4B is about right for us average players.
Hehe. Well, I was thinking in terms of the "ideal" BBB sound, and Black Dyke is the ideal sound to me. .
And the Principal Cornet for Dyke, Richard Marshall, plays on a 4B. I was with him a couple of weeks ago at a week long summer school.*
*This has been challenged on another forum. We were in a noisy bar, and he speaks with a northern accent, so it is possible I misheard him. Someone else thinks he uses a DW2. So try both and see which you prefer. _________________ "Nearly as good as I need to be. Not nearly as good as I want to be".
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Joined: 17 Dec 2007 Posts: 1668 Location: West Medford, MA
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:46 am Post subject:
andybharms wrote:
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4B is about right for us average players.
Hehe. Well, I was thinking in terms of the "ideal" BBB sound, and Black Dyke is the ideal sound to me. But I've always believed anybody can do whatever he wants if it works.
2:10 - 2:20; so simple, yet with such ease, poise and consistency. _________________ kochaavim, csillaagkep, αστερρισμός, konnstelacji, connstellation... ...a.k.a. the 28A!
Other Conns: Victor 5A & 38A, New Wonder & 80A; 'stella 38A; 36A; 'quest 76A...
Joined: 20 May 2002 Posts: 4116 Location: Atlanta, GA
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:06 am Post subject:
Rapier232 wrote:
andybharms wrote:
Quote:
4B is about right for us average players.
Hehe. Well, I was thinking in terms of the "ideal" BBB sound, and Black Dyke is the ideal sound to me. .
And the Principal Cornet for Dyke, Richard Marshall, plays on a 4B. I was with him a couple of weeks ago at a week long summer school.*
*This has been challenged on another forum. We were in a noisy bar, and he speaks with a northern accent, so it is possible I misheard him. Someone else thinks he uses a DW2. So try both and see which you prefer.
We had Richard as a guest soloist with our band in 2009 when he was in the States to judge the NABBA competition. He was playing a DW2...I know because in my lesson with him, he asked me to play a selection over again using his horn/mpce (we were talking about sound concept).
So, unless he has changed between then and now, the DW2 is correct.
Paul
P.S. We're bringing him back again in October this year...can't wait! Fabulous player and a warm human being! _________________ "Every time I hear you play, you sound better than the next..."
Joined: 19 Apr 2007 Posts: 129 Location: Rochester, NY, USA
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:06 am Post subject: what's a "real" cornet ?
Gee, I thought my Getzen 850S was a "real" cornet.
(BTW, I think that short straights don't sound the same as Shepards crooks, but that is a generalization. One other thing, I'd take a Schilke even over the Getzen, but my pocketbook is too small.)
Forgive my opinions. I was a "new-comer" (welcome back) a couple of years ago. _________________ 1995 Getzen Eterna 850S Bb cornet, .464" bore, MP:GR66#6, Wicks#4
1975 Bach Strad Model 37 ML Bb Trumpet, MP:GR66m
20?? Berkley Music C/Bb Pocket Trumpet, MP:Bach3c
1918 Henri Gautier "Virtuso" Bb cornet, MP:Bach 3c
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Joined: 17 Dec 2007 Posts: 1668 Location: West Medford, MA
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:03 pm Post subject:
kehaulani wrote:
shofarguy wrote:
Get over it. It's Yankee, Frog, Kraut, Jap, Red. Language from a different era. Go on now and pimp your ride! I'm down with that.
EXCUSE ME?! Jap carries the same weight as the N word. It's pretty offensive and hardly the same as the other examples you used. I'm really surprised at your response.
Roger - thanks.
In our great land corporations have recently gained the same rights as persons. No wonder there's angst or difficulties in parsing the distinctions amonst us living, breathing, mortals, each of us whose CFO is their CEO is their brand-advertising 'mad man' is their conductor, drummer, chief cook and bottle-washer. Sooner perhaps than later we'll each realize we are all but one? Hope so!
At least there's plenty of cornets to go around. Buy one and try it! _________________ kochaavim, csillaagkep, αστερρισμός, konnstelacji, connstellation... ...a.k.a. the 28A!
Other Conns: Victor 5A & 38A, New Wonder & 80A; 'stella 38A; 36A; 'quest 76A...
Joined: 26 May 2005 Posts: 9365 Location: Heart of Dixie
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:25 pm Post subject:
connicalman wrote:
...At least there's plenty of cornets to go around. Buy one and try it!
But are they all REAL cornets?... _________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away ." - Sir Thomas Beecham
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9030 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:41 pm Post subject:
Andy - regarding the video you posted above - thanks so much. That is really inspired and inspiring playing. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Joined: 16 Nov 2002 Posts: 2893 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:20 pm Post subject:
I played a DW2 in championship section WHEN I was playing 5 to 8 hours a day. You need monstrous stamina to survive on that through a full brass band rehearsal (which is different to being a soloist and playing a couple of solos).
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9030 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:33 pm Post subject:
andybharms wrote:
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Austin, by way of Germany and Hawaii
How long have you been in Austin? I've only been here ~3 months, but so far it seems great. Peace,
2 1/2 years and it only seems like ten.
Yes, Austin is special. If you are going to live in Texas, Austin is the place. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 1070 Location: The Golden City of OZ
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:15 am Post subject:
GordonH wrote:
I played a DW2 in championship section WHEN I was playing 5 to 8 hours a day. You need monstrous stamina to survive on that through a full brass band rehearsal (which is different to being a soloist and playing a couple of solos).
I feel your pain Gordon, and that's why the majority of bandsmen and women (i.e. not in championship section or A grade) tend to head towards the DW4B. Mind you, after two hours of playing in the solo cornet line at rehearsal, I'm shagged even on a 4B!
Anyone ever like the 1970s top 40 cornet player Chuck Mangione? He added to my trumpeting obsession as a teen. I always tried to learn to play in sheet music his stuff with my trumpet but couldn't get my parent or uncle to get me one.
Joined: 26 May 2005 Posts: 9365 Location: Heart of Dixie
Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:13 am Post subject:
He was a flugelhorn player, not cornet. _________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away ." - Sir Thomas Beecham
I think at one point the cornet was not as we know it now. For example, I play on a Bach 37 cornet from the late 70s early 80s and through much measuring found out that it was not conical throughout the horn!! But isn't that the definition of a cornet? If I'm not mistaken there was a letter to Clarke from Benge saying "these trumpets are a passing fad" and as we all know the 'standard accepted sound of excellence' for trumpet players tends to keep getting brighter to this day. So to make a long story longer, at some point to keep up with the demanding industry, players morphed their cornets with trumpet sized mouthpieces and hybridized conical/straight tubing.
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