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skootchy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Posts: 1661 Location: Naugatuck, CT
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:28 pm Post subject: To Shire and back... |
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Went to Shires in Mass. today. Brought my good friend and fellow trumpet player along for the company and "ears". We were met by Jeff who stayed with me through the whole process of selecting a trumpet. I got to try a whole bunch of different horns with a whole bunch of different variations. I finally settled on a Lacquered CLW with a Z leadpipe and a Z tuning slide. My other little indulgences were a third valve water key and "O" rings on the leadpipe and third valve slide while still retaining the saddle for the first valve slide. It was an exciting and tiring day. I learned a lot fo things that I didn't know and some things that I thought I knew. We tried Shires heavy bottom caps. Now I use Curry's Magnum Caps on my Schilke and I love them. I have heard of guys that use a heavy valve cap on one or two of their valves and never thought anything of it. Boy was I wrong. Now Shires heavy valve caps are not "Heavy" they are just heavier than their standard caps. We tried them on all three and I wasn't impressed. Tried one of them on the third (ehh) then the second (little better) and finally the first valve. (pretty good but still not sure, think I'll stick with the standard weight caps, don't know yet so I ordered one heavy cap to play with when I have a little more time) It actually was noticeably different. I also tried a tuning slide with heavy water keys and that really made a difference. At one point Jeff had me loosen the screw on the water key one quarter turn. It actually made a difference that all three of us heard and I felt. Simply amazing. I would have laughed at this if I hadn't done and felt/heard the difference. Also my two sets of ears (Jeff and Bob) agreed with my observations every step of the way so it wasn't just me. Some of the simplest stuff really does make a difference. I tried an annealed bell right next to an identical horn without the annealing and the difference was very noticeable. So my new horn will be here in a month. I brought my Schilke X4 with me and played that every 10 minutes or so to re-acclumate my ears to base line. Bob felt the Shire sounded better than the Schilke. He still felt the Schilke is an amazing horn and it still may be better in a commercial setting but he felt the Shire had more sound (Core?) to it. I felt the sound had more of a ring to the tone, a little more of an open resonance. Maybe what Shire refers to as a "spread". Several of my trumpet colleagues have already asked to try it when I get it, of course yes, but I have to warn anyone trying a Shire to be aware they are very different from each other. An A model is very different from a C model so don't try a friends Shire and think that's what they all sound or feel like. On contrare you can dial in almost anything you want. I played a few that were very warm, bright, dark, mellow, responsive. Shires are like Americans, many different sizes shapes and colors but unlike Americans they are all, without exception, superb. Oops was that too political? lol. Some were too much of an open blow for me and yet the smaller leadpipe is perfect for me. I don't get a smaller or thinner sound with the tighter leadpipe I actually have more of an open spread sound. If you try your friends "A" Shire than that is all that you have tried and all you are going to get out of that is what an "A" Shire feels/sounds like and an impression of the superb quality and craftsmanship that goes into all of the Shire horns. If you decide to test drive a few Shires take a good friend with "ears" and leave your preconceptions home. Oh yeah, take your wallet.... _________________ Praise him with the sound of the trumpet! Ps. 150:3
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JediYoda Regular Member
Joined: 09 Oct 2010 Posts: 78
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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are you absolutely 100% shire about that? _________________ Old`s Recording
Yamaha C trumpet - YTR 745
Yamaha Bb trumpet -- YTR - 934
Yamaha custom Piccolo Trumpet
Besson Eb/D trumpet
Olds Ambassador -- circa `1959
Bach G trumpet Bach Hearald Trumpet |
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jhahntpt Heavyweight Member
Joined: 19 Apr 2010 Posts: 676 Location: Southington CT
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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JediYoda wrote: | are you absolutely 100% shire about that? | _________________ Bb: Yamaha 9335NY Gen3
Bb: Yamaha 8310Z
C: Shires 4S/W1B
Piccolo: Yamaha 9830
Flugel: Yamaha 8315G
Cornet: York Eminence |
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Rick Parry with an A Regular Member
Joined: 19 Aug 2011 Posts: 11 Location: TX
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone know where I can get the Clif Notes version of the original post??? |
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R.Sole Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Rick Parry with an A wrote: | Does anyone know where I can get the Clif Notes version of the original post??? |
Ask Capt Kirk to sum it up |
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shofarguy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 7013 Location: AZ
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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Your not so excited, are you? It's fun to go through a process like that and find a good horn, isn't it. I was very impressed by Steve and the horns he brought to NAMM a couple of years ago. Excellent instruments.
Oh, and welcome to the "Everything Changes Everything" Club. _________________ Brian A. Douglas
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Bb Trumpet in copper
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Flugelhorn in copper
There is one reason that I practice: to be ready at the downbeat when the final trumpet sounds. |
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skootchy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Posts: 1661 Location: Naugatuck, CT
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:41 am Post subject: |
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shofarguy wrote: |
Oh, and welcome to the "Everything Changes Everything" Club. |
Thanks.. _________________ Praise him with the sound of the trumpet! Ps. 150:3
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Rick Parry with an A Regular Member
Joined: 19 Aug 2011 Posts: 11 Location: TX
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:15 am Post subject: |
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R.Sole wrote: | Rick Parry with an A wrote: | Does anyone know where I can get the Clif Notes version of the original post??? |
Ask Capt Kirk to sum it up |
Who is this Kirk you speak of?????? Sounds impressive......
Perhaps a good VP candidate. Looking forward to the vetting! |
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Fuzzy Dunlop Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Jun 2011 Posts: 630
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:03 am Post subject: |
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Wondra Heavyweight Member
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 537
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:53 am Post subject: Re: To Shire and back... |
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skootchy wrote: | At one point Jeff had me loosen the screw on the water key one quarter turn. It actually made a difference that all three of us heard and I felt. Simply amazing. |
I watched Bob Malone & Wayne Tanabe demonstrate this (loosen the screw) with a volunteer player at ITG, as well as change out the cork material in the tuning slide water key. In all instances there was a perceivable difference in sound. Amazing how these minute tweaks can make a difference. _________________ Dave Wondra
Don't make me get the flying monkeys... |
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Wondra Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:54 am Post subject: Re: To Shire and back... |
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skootchy wrote: | I tried an annealed bell right next to an identical horn without the annealing and the difference was very noticeable. |
What did you notice in the annealed bell that was different? _________________ Dave Wondra
Don't make me get the flying monkeys... |
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bike&ed Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Posts: 1837
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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Rick Parry with an A wrote: | R.Sole wrote: | Rick Parry with an A wrote: | Does anyone know where I can get the Clif Notes version of the original post??? |
Ask Capt Kirk to sum it up |
Who is this Kirk you speak of?????? Sounds impressive......
Perhaps a good VP candidate. Looking forward to the vetting! |
No one here is making overt political statements are they? Perish the thought! |
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Herm Aphrodite New Member
Joined: 07 Sep 2011 Posts: 2
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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bike&ed wrote: | Rick Parry with an A wrote: | R.Sole wrote: | Rick Parry with an A wrote: | Does anyone know where I can get the Clif Notes version of the original post??? |
Ask Capt Kirk to sum it up |
Who is this Kirk you speak of?????? Sounds impressive......
Perhaps a good VP candidate. Looking forward to the vetting! |
No one here is making overt political statements are they? Perish the thought! |
EASY big fella! Nothing too political here. I think Kirk would rock the VP like I'm gonna rock the rave tomorrow night! |
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skootchy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Posts: 1661 Location: Naugatuck, CT
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:40 pm Post subject: Re: To Shire and back... |
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Wondra wrote: | skootchy wrote: | I tried an annealed bell right next to an identical horn without the annealing and the difference was very noticeable. |
What did you notice in the annealed bell that was different? |
To me with that set-up the sound was not as bright. It might go well if you are looking for a warmer darker sound but perhaps I am writing too much... _________________ Praise him with the sound of the trumpet! Ps. 150:3
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skootchy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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Fuzzy Dunlop wrote: | |
Must have been cold when this pic was taken... _________________ Praise him with the sound of the trumpet! Ps. 150:3
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VetPsychWars Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 7196 Location: Greenfield WI
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 2:14 pm Post subject: Re: To Shire and back... |
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skootchy wrote: | Wondra wrote: | skootchy wrote: | I tried an annealed bell right next to an identical horn without the annealing and the difference was very noticeable. |
What did you notice in the annealed bell that was different? |
To me with that set-up the sound was not as bright. It might go well if you are looking for a warmer darker sound but perhaps I am writing too much... |
Buescher horns before the Selmer buyout had annealed bells and a darker sound, so this I believe.
Tom _________________ 1950 Buescher Lightweight 400 Trumpet
1949 Buescher 400 Trumpet
1939 Buescher 400 Cornet
GR65M, GR65 Cor #1 |
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Vin DiBona Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2003 Posts: 1473 Location: OHare area
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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:39 am Post subject: |
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http://www.seshires.com/419.html
World class players do not switch just for the heck of it. Shires is on to something and the big names are noticing.
R. Tomasek |
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