Any chance you guys can get rid of this "capt.kirk"

trumpetgirl68 · Regular Member Joined: 22 Oct 2011 Posts: 18

We're all thinking it. I'm tired of it. I used to love lurking in this website. I can't stand it anymore.

VetPsychWars · Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:57 pm Post subject:

Every village has one. You get used to it.

Tom
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Maarten van Weverwijk · Heavyweight Member Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Posts: 3122

This subject comes back regularly and the "reveille" forum is literally stuffed with similar requests. However, nothing has been done in the past and I doubt anything will be done about it now.

The Mods don't want to touch the subject and some people keep encouraging and hugging him as if he were some sort of innocent, funny "weirdo" that needs to be protected, so we're kind of stuck with the guy. Personally I think his provocative cries for attention, the sheer quantity of his endless posts and all the nonsense & lies are doing more harm to the credibility and general image of this site than anything else. Lately the only sane way to get through TH is to ignore Kirk; maybe he should have his own forum...

IMO this goes way beyond any logical freedom of speech or having a different writing style. The guy's being obnoxious for the sake of being obnoxious and just LOVES all the attention (that includes this thread).

Not my nicest post ever, but I know that many, many people feel the same way.
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lh · Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:47 am Post subject:

Cork iz won off teh incest auld rafts eye no.....

Kleer 'n tranny parent communismifcation iz whot oui bee leaf iz impotent hear....

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2nd line translated: Clear and transparent communication is what we believe is important here...

the point?: An argument was put forth that our brains naturally sort out the letters and make sense of wildly inaccurate spellings and syntax, removing the need on one poster's part of proofreading and attempting to be clear. I disagree with the premise and was demonstrating the confusion regularly caused by this notion.
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swthiel · Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:38 am Post subject:

If you need help ignoring Baumchen, check out the links to phpBB User Hide in this thread. The script still works in Firefox 8.0.

Basically, I think the only way people get booted off TH is if they violate the Usage Agreement. I usually ignore Baumchen's posts, but I don't recall seeing anything that violates the agreement. If you think he has, it would probably be more productive to send a PM to Moderators.
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tommy t. · Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:36 am Post subject:

Reading particular threads or specific posts within a given thread is 100% under the control of the user.

It is really, really easy to skip a post or to stop following a thread if its subject matter or author no longer interests you.

Individual censorship judgment by the user seems to me to be preferable to moderator interference.

I don't like the tenor of the sermons preached at one of the little churches in Cut 'n Shoot, Texas, so I don't go there. I just drive by. But, I would fight (in a legal sense) anyone who wished to close that church because of its message -- insane though I may think it to be.

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Don Lee · Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:57 pm Post subject:

tom turner · Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:49 pm Post subject:

No one makes anyone else click on a post by him. Just ignore posts and entries by folks you don't care to read.

T.
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swthiel · Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:43 am Post subject:

In what I hope will be my last comment on the subject ...

I suggest that those of you who don't like his posts ignore them. Depending on what browser you're running, there are tools that will help you with that.

Don't read his posts ... at this point, they will only annoy you.

Don't respond to him ... that encourages him.

Don't make posts complaining about him ... the probably also encourages him.

Don't send PMs to him to complain ... that probably encourages him.

just. ignore. him.
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Don Lee · Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:53 pm Post subject:

JRoyal · Heavyweight Member Joined: 25 Apr 2003 Posts: 748

As much as I would love to see Kirk banned it raises the question: what would you do with the other ones?

Because I can name at least half a dozen other folks that post pretty much the same crap he does, while being more concise and with better grammar. If you ban him, where do you draw the line as to what is fair? We already accept so much crap on this site!

I think the answer is: more (and more active) moderators. With moderators that are knowledge enough to either a) steer discussions in different directions, or b) immediately delete garbage that is either off topic or just wrong, I think we could see a big change in how discourse takes place on this site.

In the case of someone like Kirk a moderator would not even need to edit his post, they are too long. Just delete until he starts following certain guidelines, if a moderator has to delete a certain % of every 10 post you get an automatic short term ban. If the moderators would enforce some rules I think he will come around, he needs the attention.

JRoyal · Heavyweight Member Joined: 25 Apr 2003 Posts: 748

By the way, from the user agreement:

Do not post material that:

B) Is defamatory, threatening, disparaging, grossly inflammatory, false, misleading, deceptive, fraudulent, inaccurate, unfair, contains gross exaggeration or unsubstantiated claims, violates the privacy rights of any third party, is unreasonably harmful or offensive to any individual or community, contains any actionable statement, or tends to mislead or reflect unfairly on any other person, business or entity.

I think most people would agree that Kirk has at least 3,000 violations of many of those listed.[/b]

oldblow · Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:59 am Post subject:

I agree, Jason. Enforcing the rules might go along way towards changing his behavior. "Tis not the severity of the punishment that makes it effective; it's the certainty."

Some of the posts can be informative and collegial, but many others seem to indicate a chemical imbalance or abuse. I would think that participating in a forum such as this one would indicate a certain desire to be accepted and to learn from the discussions.
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tommy t. · Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:13 am Post subject:

I simply have not read one of his longer posts in the last year. It's so easy to skip an unwanted comment.

I do have very strong feelings against crowd imposed censorship of behavior that can be ignored and is not doing substantive harm.

I do not recall that he has singled out any specific person for unfounded abuse or made allegations that any specific company is intentionally cheating the public.

There is, in my moral philosophy, a great abyss between saying "I have the key to trumpet pefection, Bach does not," and saying "Bach is a company that knowingly and intentionally misrepresents its product to the detriment of the trumpet community." To me, it is obvious that the first statement may be misinformation and that the second is morally wrong in the absence of actual evidence.

"I don't like Bach product," is a statement that one may agree with or disagree with but it is a statement that a poster should feel free to make.

Kirk's psychological quirks can be handled other than by a high handed censorship.

My Goodness, I hope we don't end up trying to limit the length of posts or start using those messages that say "Your comment will be reviewed; if we agree with you we will publish it!

Tommy T.
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JRoyal · Heavyweight Member Joined: 25 Apr 2003 Posts: 748

Tommy,

His comments are not, and cannot, be universally ignored, and people always respond compounding the issue. Some people respond in an attempt to “moderate him” creating a negative and far reaching negativity in a forum such as this. Other aspects of his dogma become accepted as ‘truths’ or perhaps an ‘alternate view’ just because of the general level of ignorance on this forum.

We have a choice to be a member here and all agree to the same user agreement, so I think censorship is not the issue. I think the real core issue here is what kind of forum do we want: one where professional and correct information is propagated and discussed, or one where anything goes, no matter how wrong. Right now we firmly have the later, by choice of the moderation team.

tommy t. · Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:01 pm Post subject:

trumpetteacher1 · Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:49 pm Post subject: