As you know, Shost 5 has that wicked low passage (13 measures) in the beginning of the 1st movement that goes down to a low F concert. Since I'm using my C, I have to pop the third slide out to its extended length, but with only one beat rest, I'm having some difficulty getting the slide all the way out in time! The slide is a bit tight, so I may have to take it into the shop.
My question is, has anyone simply used a Bb on this section, or would that be considered way uncool?
It's fine to either extend the slide on a C or use a Bb for this passage or the entire work for that matter. Whatever YOU feel most comfortable with---good trumpeting is not a fashion statement. Actually from memory, the third player is just sitting there doing nothing at this point. Ask him/her to play it as well on a Bb and then you can just play along on the C and leave the low F covered by the two beside you!
Great idea, I'll do just that with the 3rd player! Thanks!
The same does Konradin Groth here, at about 8:00 min:
What about the low concert Eb at the end of the Mahler 5 opening, esp if you play it on C? Does the principal usually play that or leave it to someone else? What about during an audition? What did Herseth do on the DVD?
Thanks, that's what I've been told, too. However, the part supplied in this particular audition packet includes the low Eb ... so I don't know if they will expect it or not.
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:56 pm Post subject:
ltkije1966 wrote:
I learned it with the slide kicked out before the rest. Just learn the lick with the new fingerings.
I think you should get your slide fixed, so it will slide right down with no problems.
Yes, you need the low F on you C trumpet. I practice the low F (w/ slide kicked out, not pedals) in my warm-ups and etudes whenever I can work it in. After a while, it can become just another note (almost). It'll get pretty natural and you won't be afraid of it. Like with a lot of things in trumpet playing, you can let it get the better of you, or you can get the better of it, your choice.
That being said, we did this last year. I played most rehearsals on my C. Towards the end I switched to Bb and loved it. I play mostly C, but it lays well on Bb.
Good Luck,
Totally agree. If you play 2nd or 3rd part in an orchestra you'll get pretty good at the alternate fingerings with the 3rd valve slide out unless you really want to bring a second axe for a couple passages. There are plenty of low F's in symphonic lit. Should make up a list of things I've had to play this way...
Agree as well that the slide should move smoothly or it won't be much good for normal fine tuning.
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:40 am Post subject: Low F
I think learning to play a solid F on your C is your best bet.
All of my favorite orchestral players I have seen have a great high chops, but they also have some awesome low notes! I've even heard someone play Heldenleiben on C and really crank the low Es.
It's nice to be able to play on a 4 valve horn. Plus other licks can be entertaining, such as continuing the trumpet 1 solo in Bolero a few more notes...
cheers
Andy _________________ so many horns, so few good notes
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:15 am Post subject:
I was taught by someone who could play all the notes between bottom F# and the next C down even though they don't really exist. He taught me how to do it. Not sure its ever been very useful except in a Mozart thing I did once where I had a bottom E. They sound false no matter how well you play them though.
For reasons of sound I think the Bb trumpet wins hands down over the C. Any increase in accuracy afforded by the C trumpet is eclipsed by the (usually) weird intonation and fingering issues. If I want greater accuracy in a higher part I use my Eb trumpet with the big bell. It seems that a lot of orchestral professionals over here take the same view as the 4v Eb appears a lot in concerts.
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