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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MichaelM2 wrote:
Don't bother with a larger Courtois bell, it's hard enough to find a case for a 6.6" bell. I have a Courtois 155R flugel and Chambord ii and the lacquer still looks like new. both horns are over 5 years old with no lacquer loss. Must be something to do with the vintage.

Mike


You do not play the case, you play the instrument. If an instrument has an unusual shape but great sound, you make a custom case. Otherwise, we all would be playing pocket trumpets.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check out Andy Taylor. He'll make anything for you.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I make those.





My wife plays cello... so I made the first (of several) to play duets with her.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have owned both the Getzen and Kanstul 4 valve flugels and tried out a Courtois at one point. While the Getzen does have a big fat sound, the Kanstul wins on every other point - response, intonation, general ease, etc. Alternate fingerings and some experimentation are needed to get the lower notes in tune, but that register responds much better than on the Getzen or Courtois. I found the low register on the Courtois to be stuffy and not really useable.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:34 am    Post subject: Re: Custom 4-valve flugelhorn Reply with quote

uncg14trmpt wrote:
I am wondering if anyone knows a custom shop that is willing to make a 4-valve flugelhorn. I am very interested in having one so I am able to play cello concertos (that's not the only thing I would use it for, of course). Thanks!


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an old, 4-valve Mirafone flugel. Others who have tried it did not really like it (said it was stuffy) but it does fine for what I need it to do. (It could stand to be "reinvigorated")

Now tk1031's flugel is more than an instrument; it is a work of art. And, like any art fancier than a painting of Elvis on velvet, it is outta my league...

-- Joe

PS - anyone know how to translate a Mirafone serial number into a date of manufacture? This flugel has a 7xx serial.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cjl,

Thanks, but it's not out of your league. She will spoil you though. lol

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



The copper version, with conical Zirnbauer valves. Being used in a legit setting.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A video with some audio clips... fast forward to the Flugel horns.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://youtu.be/YClpnHHXZ-E

Oops... here it is.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many say the 1525 Kanstul flugelhorn is the best out. Personally I would have to agree. Never even wanted a flugelhorn until I played one. It plays itself with spot on intonation. All this being said to make the point that Kanstul makes a 4valve flugelhorn.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crzytptman wrote:
What about this one made in America?

http://www.kanstul.net/detail.php?pass_search=1526.0000&pass_instrument=Flugelhorn


I'm assuming that Kanstul got the 4th slide length correct. The illustrated horn on the Web site has a configuration very much like my Courtois. It would be great to buy a local maker, Kanstul's flugels play great.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,
I'm from Ohio. That is in the USA, I just happen to live outside the USA right now. All of my materials come from the USA (and I am working with a great guy named Charles at Kanstul to bring more business to them). When I am in the USA I make instruments there.

I like Zig's stuff. I like Kanstul, but I like my own stuff. I make for Americans (and everybody else). My stuff is made by an American. No employee of my company is not an American. I am an 18 year veteran COP. I am doing this because the small towns I have worked for are going under, and I chose to live with my wife who works for an American company over here. My brother is a 12 year veteran Firefighter. He cleans chimneys on the side. Because in America they don't pay their Cops, Fireman, or Military enough.

By all means buy a Kanstul Flugelhorn, that company has one of the last of the great old brass designers is it.

I get a little sensitive when I see the flag being waved around. Those of you that have served in the Military, or Civil Service especially if you have been wounded in the line of duty and/or had to play taps for a fallen comrade might know what I mean. If it makes you feel better, I'll beg Zig, and Charlie for a little bench space next time I visit. Just say'n.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should amend that to say I get some materials from Germany also. Quality is quality.
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