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JobyMF
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| I understand your post 100%, but it seems like the idea of sharing an opinion on WM, its better to blast a student on a general question posted in an online community/forum. |
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JRoyal
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| Bucaneer61 wrote: | | For a great sample of his "swingishness" search you tube for his "Happy Birthday" video in Marciac with Victor Goins. For just trumpet & tenor sax, it is the true definition of what I think of as "swing" |
thanks!! never heard it prior. love it 
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| JRoyal wrote: | This topic is something that has been bothering me since I first saw this.
At this point in your education you should have your own opinion about Wynton and the necessary musical knowledge to prove your case and defend as needed, if not you should ask for a refund. To come on trumpetherald and ask for a subjective opinion where the average 'trumpet education' level is probably around the high school level makes it seem like you have an agenda. Doctoral work should rise above the level of a music appreciation style papers and certainly about the level of a 5th grade “do you like me letter” ( circle yes, no, or maybe…..) |
Jason, you started it man. Snide, pompous and pointless. The O/P wants thoughts on Wynton, not a critique on the validity of how he goes about collecting his information. If you want to do that, send him a PM about it and deal with it privately without hijacking the thread. Otherwise, let the guy's professors guide his academic process...mkay?
I like you man, but sheez...!
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JRoyal
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| AverageJoe wrote: | | JRoyal wrote: | This topic is something that has been bothering me since I first saw this.
At this point in your education you should have your own opinion about Wynton and the necessary musical knowledge to prove your case and defend as needed, if not you should ask for a refund. To come on trumpetherald and ask for a subjective opinion where the average 'trumpet education' level is probably around the high school level makes it seem like you have an agenda. Doctoral work should rise above the level of a music appreciation style papers and certainly about the level of a 5th grade “do you like me letter” ( circle yes, no, or maybe…..) |
Jason, you started it man. Snide, pompous and pointless. The O/P wants thoughts on Wynton, not a critique on the validity of how he goes about collecting his information. If you want to do that, send him a PM about it and deal with it personally without hijacking the thread. Otherwise, let the guy's professors guide his academic process...mkay?
Sheez... |
Paul,
You are right, of course.....time for a hasty retreat!
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AverageJoe
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| bagmangood wrote: | | wvtrumpet wrote: |
Both amazing players, but they are not going to blow over changes like WM! |
Dave Douglas then? I'm kind of scared when I hear him improvising... |
LOL.... We need "like" buttons for threads..
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Strongly recommend you read Skain's Domain by Lesley Gourse...bio of Wynton. Despite the fact she seems to know very little about music it is very informative and could be a good resource for you.
Also check out 'Catching The Snake' and the film about him and Kathleen Battle on you tube for entertainment value.
J Mood was bought for me when I was 12 years old. It was too highly crafted for me to get straight into it but then when I did I loved it. It is a beautiful, sometimes chaotic and dark album which I think still holds it's own. The performances from the whole band are stunning and it still sounds modern and fresh in many ways. I emphasise the whole band not just his lordship..Watts/Hurst/Roberts together are an unstoppable force.
There are plenty of his albums that to me that sound rivetingly dull. I won't bother naming them.
When I met him he was bloody helpful and bolstered my confidence by giving me a kick up the arse without being too academic. He's bloody down to earth, he's a southerner, a country boy and he'll never put that to one side. He also chatted my gf up at the time. Granted she was hot, we were 23 he was 37. Nice!
He truly has his own voice and sometimes lacks substance I think. Love him tho, for any player in their 30's or 40's he was a great ambassador and motivator because he made success and happiness through jazz look possible with what looked like a very simple approach and hard work.
He's also a bit chippy, I don't mind that. He got attitude.
When I went to him with a lip problem he basically said 'fck all that technical sh*t just play something for me' and got my head working again. His attitude was basically you can do it if you want it. So GO DO IT. The guy is a good egg and always meant well I think. I was blown away by his interest and passion for educating and helping younger players with their search. To this day i have hardly met a musician like it.
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JobyMF
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^^ reasons in the post and referenced material as to why I admire and respect Wynton.
Obviously, the way hes lived life and his beliefs (and opinions!) have worked Very very well for someone wanting that lifestyle. |
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Someone asked Roy Eldridge in his later years who he thought the world's greatest trumpeter was.
"Herb Alpert," he said.
Herb Alpert?
"He's made the most money, hasn't he?"
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| JRoyal wrote: | | The overall jazz knowledge of the general membership of trumpet herald is pretty low, most people here are admittedly comeback players . . . |
Just a comment on this - "comeback player" does not necessarily mean that someone was a low-level player or musician when they stopped playing trumpet. I think forum members should keep that in mind when making judgement values about comeback players' opinions.
I have no way of knowing how typical/atypical I am, but I quit playing trumpet in 1970 and only recently resumed. In the ensuing years, I made a full-time living as a musician. My "overall jazz knowledge" is hardly "pretty low".
Furthermore, any of the comeback players who quit playing trumpet in the past may not have, simultaneously, atrophied as jazz listeners and connoisseurs. Their tastes may have actually become quite refined - yea, even though a trumpet was absent from their hands. 
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Personally, I suspect that the OP is a sociology major doing research for his dissertation on the group dynamics of anonymous "expert" sites such as TH.
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| tommy t. wrote: | Personally, I suspect that the OP is a sociology major doing research for his dissertation on the group dynamics of anonymous "expert" sites such as TH.
Tommy T. |
HA!
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Sorry for hijacking the thread. In fact, I'm sorry I posted at all. From now on, Wynton can speak for himself.
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| ...general jazz knowledge?...jazz trivia perhaps... |
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What was I thinking?
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Deleted in the interest of jazz harmony, so to speak.
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| windandsong wrote: | Strongly recommend you read Skain's Domain by Lesley Gourse...bio of Wynton. Despite the fact she seems to know very little about music it is very informative and could be a good resource for you.
Also check out 'Catching The Snake' and the film about him and Kathleen Battle on you tube for entertainment value.
J Mood was bought for me when I was 12 years old. It was too highly crafted for me to get straight into it but then when I did I loved it. It is a beautiful, sometimes chaotic and dark album which I think still holds it's own. The performances from the whole band are stunning and it still sounds modern and fresh in many ways. I emphasise the whole band not just his lordship..Watts/Hurst/Roberts together are an unstoppable force.
There are plenty of his albums that to me that sound rivetingly dull. I won't bother naming them.
When I met him he was bloody helpful and bolstered my confidence by giving me a kick up the arse without being too academic. He's bloody down to earth, he's a southerner, a country boy and he'll never put that to one side. He also chatted my gf up at the time. Granted she was hot, we were 23 he was 37. Nice!
He truly has his own voice and sometimes lacks substance I think. Love him tho, for any player in their 30's or 40's he was a great ambassador and motivator because he made success and happiness through jazz look possible with what looked like a very simple approach and hard work.
He's also a bit chippy, I don't mind that. He got attitude.
When I went to him with a lip problem he basically said 'fck all that technical sh*t just play something for me' and got my head working again. His attitude was basically you can do it if you want it. So GO DO IT. The guy is a good egg and always meant well I think. I was blown away by his interest and passion for educating and helping younger players with their search. To this day i have hardly met a musician like it.
Enjoy your project!! |
That's my view too.
He means well, plays well, but I have to say he doesn't move me in the way that many other players do. |
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Wow, can this thread go any further away from the subject!!! I think we might need a GPS to get this thing back in the general vicinity..LOL
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Brad Mehldau cites an experience when he first heard Pat Metheny while driving that so moved him that he had to pull over lest he wrap his car around a telephone pole. I think (or at least hope for the sake of all of us who truly love music) that we all get to have a handful of these experiences in our lives. They are profound, moving, and excitingly unpredictable.
For me, I had just purchased Wynton's Live at the House of the tribes CD and put it in when I was about a minute away from work. I must have forgotten that I had it in my car. I was so moved by the musicality, style, soul, swing, and fire in Wynton's playing on the opening track that I had to sit in my car and listen to the entire two more times before going into work (late). I was in awe and viscerally moved by the playing on the record.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH7JeQK5hvE
That's a link to a video from that recording. I can't imagine how that could not be somebody's taste, but opinions are like...well you know the rest. His playing is simple, melodic, and seldom too technical.
I don't know. For my money, I think he's an original voice in modern jazz. He's proved that he can sound like Miles, or Freddie, or Woody, or Louis, or all of them smashed together. Now, he sounds more like himself. I love the man.
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