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DavesTrumpet Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:04 pm Post subject: My First Kanstul (Chicago 1001)! |
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I rarely ever buy horns anymore (trust me I have plenty. I stopped counting ten years ago when the count got up to 26!) but I've had a Benge MLP on my 'bucket list' of horns to own forever. I got a chance to give a Kanstul Chicago 1001 a good thorough try back in 2003 when the ITG convention was in Ft. Worth. I was impressed with it. And any time my friend Bill comes over from Dallas with his old MLP, I'm always grabbing it from him to play on it.
Well, finally just the right deal came along. I've looked forever for a decent lacquered Benge or Kanstul for ages! Most seem to be silver plate. But this horn was just the ticket! So cool!
Not only am I so extremely happy with the horn, but also the wonderful seller who is part of our community here. Thank you, Fred (HoosierConn)!
Anyway, just had to share this.
Oh, here's a pic I just snapped:
 _________________ Dave M
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shofarguy Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Rare in lacquer. They are wonderful trumpets. _________________ Flip Oakes Wild Thing Bb Trumpet
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Flugelhorn
There is one reason that I practice: to be ready at the downbeat when the final trumpet sounds. |
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DavesTrumpet Heavyweight Member

Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Posts: 1396 Location: Shreveport, LA
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richardwy Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Whoot! Happy day, Dave. _________________ Richard Oliver
Bach AB190
Schilke B1
Bach C180L 239 25H
Bach 3's: 3, B, & C
Getzen Capri Cornet
Curry 3BBC
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Goldplate Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm feeling a little jealous |
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nieuwguyski Heavyweight Member

Joined: 06 Feb 2002 Posts: 1675 Location: Santa Cruz County, CA
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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I had a mature student, back when I gave lessons, with a Benge 2X MLP. What a great horn. He kept buying Besson Mehas from the '50s and having Byron Autry overhaul them... and they were nice... but they weren't any better, in my opinion, than that 2X+.
So a 2X MLP has been on my bucket list for a while. I was really disappointed to read, some time ago, that the only 2X bell mandrel Kanstul has is too fragile to use, because a Kanstul Chicago 1001 with a 2X bell would be the modern equivalent. _________________ J. Notso Nieuwguyski |
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yourbrass Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Only saw a 2X+ once. 2X's, rarely.
If one had an MLP body and a 2X bell, it would be easy to make the bell a slightly larger bore.
Don't worry, I'm not signing on to the good ship "Kirk." |
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david mickley Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 May 2009 Posts: 509 Location: Indianapolis, In.
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:33 am Post subject: |
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I've owned several 2X horns and at least one 2X+, all L.A. horns. A very good commercial sounding horn in the right hands. I had a naturally bright sound and with the 2X series horns my sound had a real edge to it. I imagine if I had switched from my Reeves 42M m.p. piece to a deeper cup I could have tamed the beast a little bit. All in all very good horns [after valve alignments] and would fit big band playing or even Salsa work very well. _________________ Chicago Benge 33XX
Blessing 1580 [Powell modified] H37434
Getzen Eterna Cornet 800s P02819
Yamaha Flugel 231
assorted other horns |
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Locutus2k Veteran Member

Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 287 Location: Rome, Italy
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:36 am Post subject: |
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The Kanstul Chicago 1001 is a hell of horn, period. For me is the best trumpet i've ever played: a great "all-around" horn, a great lead horn, a great "solo" horn. In my opinion much better than the original Benge (i've played a few of the vintage ones).
Kanstul really works his magic into this particualr model. _________________ ------------------------
Kanstul 1600 "WB"
Kanstul 991 "Mariachi"
Lawler C7 (2005)
Olds Recording 1951 (restored by Charlie Melk)
Flugel Conn V1; Kanstul ZK1525
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RandyTX Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:55 am Post subject: |
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Congratulations. It's a great looking horn in lacquer.
I have a Kanstul flugel, but none of their trumpet or other brass products (yet).  |
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DavesTrumpet Heavyweight Member

Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Posts: 1396 Location: Shreveport, LA
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stevericks Regular Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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Pretty horn. One of Kanstul's greats. I have a Kanstul Chicago and use it for rock band work. Great edge, open, and cuts through.
Of course I also own the 991, 1500, 1502, 1503, and 1537. And the best one is whichever I pick up.
Steve _________________ Steve
Olds, Kanstul, Bach |
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DavesTrumpet Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| stevericks wrote: | Pretty horn. One of Kanstul's greats. I have a Kanstul Chicago and use it for rock band work. Great edge, open, and cuts through.
Of course I also own the 991, 1500, 1502, 1503, and 1537. And the best one is whichever I pick up.
Steve |
Yeah, I'm lovin' it, Steve. Great horn, nice sound, superb intonation. I think that's the thing that surprised me the most is how good the intonation is. _________________ Dave M
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cjl Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Dave, is there any reason why you wanted lacquer as opposed to silver? After all, lacquer Benges (esp LA) seem to be pretty rare.
Or are you just a lacquer person in general?
-- Joe |
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DavesTrumpet Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| cjl wrote: | Dave, is there any reason why you wanted lacquer as opposed to silver? After all, lacquer Benges (esp LA) seem to be pretty rare.
Or are you just a lacquer person in general?
-- Joe |
Hi Joe,
I just don't care much for silver plated horns (they don't stay clean long enough in my hands, tarnish, etc..). Though I own quite a few silver plated horns, I prefer either gold plating or lacquer.
It's funny though about lacquered Benges. I agree, silver seems the most popular. But there are lacquered ones out there. Timofei Dokshizer always played a lacquered (LA) Benge and a friend of mine (older, retired USAF trumpeter) has three Burbank Benges, all lacquered. (He's got a killer Benge C trumpet. One of the best playing C's I've played!!!)
There's currently a lacquered CH1001, like mine, on ebay. Price is way too high for the amount of damage it has. _________________ Dave M
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Leather_Lips Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Congrats!
It's an awesome horn. Just bought mine a couple of months ago, and am loving it! |
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richardwy Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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I have such a soft spot for Benges.
My trumpet teacher, Walt Laursen, played a 3X, had C and D.
I started on a 5X. Owned a 3X+.
Owned a Chicago Bb, and probably what was the 1st Chicago C.
It's like the love of "beginnings." _________________ Richard Oliver
Bach AB190
Schilke B1
Bach C180L 239 25H
Bach 3's: 3, B, & C
Getzen Capri Cornet
Curry 3BBC
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DavesTrumpet Heavyweight Member

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swthiel Heavyweight Member

Joined: 02 Apr 2005 Posts: 3875 Location: Porkopolis, USA (Cincinnati, OH)
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| DavesTrumpet wrote: | | stevericks wrote: | Pretty horn. One of Kanstul's greats. I have a Kanstul Chicago and use it for rock band work. Great edge, open, and cuts through.
Of course I also own the 991, 1500, 1502, 1503, and 1537. And the best one is whichever I pick up.
Steve |
Yeah, I'm lovin' it, Steve. Great horn, nice sound, superb intonation. I think that's the thing that surprised me the most is how good the intonation is. |
What I like about the horn is its flexibility. I play in a wide range of context (big band lead, soft stuff in church, etc.) and it's much easier to get the sound I want with the Chicago MLP and my trusty Bach 5C mouthpiece. When I play lead, I can cut through without killing myself. When I've done quiet stuff in church, I've been asked if I was using a flugel! _________________ Steve Thiel
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DavesTrumpet Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| swthiel wrote: |
What I like about the horn is its flexibility. I play in a wide range of context (big band lead, soft stuff in church, etc.)and it's much easier to get the sound I want with the Chicago MLP and my trusty Bach 5C mouthpiece. When I play lead, I can cut through without killing myself. When I've done quiet stuff in church, I've been asked if I was using a flugel! |
My first notes on it, not warmed up (excuses, excuses) (just after playing the Connstellation, you can hear that I didn't lift my fingers up high enough on the first notes. LOL! DUH! Darned longer valve stroke!). I think this clip illustrates your point though:
http://youtu.be/sFSrzQJvZKw _________________ Dave M
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