Endurance in the extreme high register?

terry213 · Regular Member Joined: 20 Mar 2012 Posts: 13

Ok, i know that developing extreme high register takes practice and it doesn't matter what kind of mouthpiece you play on. The thing is that i found out that CERTAIN KINDS of mouthpieces will give you endurance and FACILITATE your extreme high register. I've already looked at Bach and Schilke and I currently have a Bach 7C, 1 1/2C, 11EW, and a Schilke 6A4A. If there's another mouthpiece brand with a shallow cup along with increasing my endurance, please direct me to one. If intrested, I can hit up to a Double C on my mouthpieces

zackh411 · Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:31 pm Post subject:

I'd say build your range on something bigger until you are quite happy with it before moving to something that makes it easier... otherwise you'll be stuck playing some monstrosity like my shoop mouthpiece and you'll be stuck spending the summer trying to fix it so your upper register works on other equipment, like me.
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jiarby · Heavyweight Member Joined: 08 Jul 2011 Posts: 743

A 6A4A is pretty extreme... especially contracted to your 1-1/2C
Maybe a 14A4A, or 13A4A would be a good median lead piece.

Usually you have to already be a pretty good player to use a mpc that shallow. It is hard to GET GOOD starting out with it.

Do most of your practice on the 7C or the 1-1/2C. When you can play clarke exercises cleanly, and smoothly 8va (say, starting on Bb, B, High C, C#, & D) with the Bach then when you use the lead piece you are just adding zing... it is not a crutch.

Think Malcom McNabb when playing double C's with the Bach piece. If you do not know that name then get ready to have your mind blown. Listen to the Tchaikovsky.

I knew I was on the right track when I was at a gig a few months ago...
I was playing lead (lotsa high G's) but during a break I wanted to do some scale mode and clarke practice (low and soft). So, I popped in my 1-1/2 C. 20 mins later the break is over, and we start the second set. I thought my chops felt a little cooked, nand they were not quite as zippy as in the 1st set. I was wondering if I should have rested in the break. After the 3rd chart I hunkered over to grab my water bottle and got eye level with my horn on it's stand and saw that I never changed mpc's back! DOH! I had been playing lead on my 1-1/2C and didn't notice. I swapped back and was back to normal.

I wouldn't want to play lead on a 1-1/2C... it is the wrong tool for the job. But I know that my range is not what it is because I play on a 13A4A... my range is what it is because I practice alot and smartly.

afp

zackh411 · Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:41 pm Post subject:

cheiden · Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:39 pm Post subject:

Bach E cups and Schilke A cups are both fairly extreme. Some guys use them to good effect but a large number of players do better with more moderate sized gear.
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spitvalve · Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:53 pm Post subject:

The other day I was practicing on my Warburton 4M/7* (similar to a 3C in dimensions) and decided to try some meathead-style screaming. I have several mouthpieces on my desk; I grabbed what I thought was my 4SV/8 (shallow V-cup) and started wailing. After several minutes of relatively effortless high notes, I looked at the mouthpiece. It was my 4MD/11, which is my classical set up--deep cup and enormous backbore.

It's all psychology. Once I knew which mouthpiece I was playing on, I couldn't scream anymore. Had I not looked I might have kept going.
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Shaft · Veteran Member Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 486

curry 70m for me- 1-1/2 cup diameter, shallower cup and good zing
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gbdeamer · Heavyweight Member Joined: 31 Dec 2007 Posts: 1541

zackh411 · Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:11 am Post subject:

ljazztrm · Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:23 pm Post subject:

You need to find the right diameter size for your lips. It's like shoe size. It depends on your lip width along with your dental and facial structure. To get a bright, powerful, lead/commercial sound, you want to have a shallow mouthpiece. What is shallow for you also varies depending on your lip thickness and how much lip protrudes into the cup for you. To get a darker jazz sound without sacrificing your range, try a deeper 'V' Miles Davis style cup. This will allow you to keep your endurance into the extreme high register, while still getting a dark sound. The deeper, more bowl shaped mouthpieces can cut down on this type of endurance. And the 2 most important things: Play a lot every day and do the Warburton PETE 'tug exercise' for 15 seconds at the end of your playing day. All the best, Lex
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terry213 · Regular Member Joined: 20 Mar 2012 Posts: 13

thanks for the feedback everyone. but what would u all think of a Kelly Screamer?

spitvalve · Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:27 am Post subject: