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isler
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| Does anyone know where I can find out what year a Martin Committee was made and the bore size? |
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adieste
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This was posted a while back on the forum by another member:
Here is the complete serial number list for Martin that I acquired from Rob Stewart in Arcadia, CA 1919 17221, 1920 19482, 1921 19933-23781, 1922 29942, 1923 34838, 1924 40644, 1925 48489-54853, 1926 62852-72051, 1927 79204, 1928 86687, 1929 92536, 1930 98324, 1931 101622, 1932 105096, 1933 106546, 1934 108301, 1935 111253, 1936 116551, 1937 118038, 1938 126998, 1939 132070, 1940 136040, 1941 140199, 1942 144455, 1943 145322, 1944 000000, 1945 145352, 1946 154289, 1947 161520, 1948 165326, 1949 170395, 1950 172215, 1951 175140, 1952 179317, 1953 183125, 1954 187614, 1955 193747, 1956 194213, 1957 201809, 1958 203917, 1959 205377, 1960 209089, 1961 211675, 1962 213999, 1963 218855, 1964 700000
Use calipers to measure the bore at the second valve slide. This one is a .485
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3700966341&category=16214&sspagename=STRK%3AMESSE%3AIT&rd=1
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isler
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| Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| What if there are no numbers or letters stamped on the horn besides the serial number? |
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Martin
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| Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 8:14 am Post subject: |
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Another very knowledgeable connaisseur of vintage horns (Paul Ayick aka bulos) posted that to get the year of manufacture of a Martin trumpet, you divide the serial number by 4000 and add 1906.
A large bore Committee is usually marked "3" next to the serial # on the valve casing ("L" on later models). The more popular medium bore ("2") is usually not stamped.
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patkins
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| adieste wrote: | This was posted a while back on the forum by another member:
Here is the complete serial number list for Martin that I acquired from Rob Stewart in Arcadia, CA 1919 17221, 1920 19482, 1921 19933-23781, 1922 29942, 1923 34838, 1924 40644, 1925 48489-54853, 1926 62852-72051, 1927 79204, 1928 86687, 1929 92536, 1930 98324, 1931 101622, 1932 105096, 1933 106546, 1934 108301, 1935 111253, 1936 116551, 1937 118038, 1938 126998, 1939 132070, 1940 136040, 1941 140199, 1942 144455, 1943 145322, 1944 000000, 1945 145352, 1946 154289, 1947 161520, 1948 165326, 1949 170395, 1950 172215, 1951 175140, 1952 179317, 1953 183125, 1954 187614, 1955 193747, 1956 194213, 1957 201809, 1958 203917, 1959 205377, 1960 209089, 1961 211675, 1962 213999, 1963 218855, 1964 700000
This is an excellent list. Thanks for posting!
Use calipers to measure the bore at the second valve slide. This one is a .485
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3700966341&category=16214&sspagename=STRK%3AMESSE%3AIT&rd=1
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Big Horn
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Hi
I have the serial number in the side of valve 2 and it is 552360. I am trying to find out which year this is. Can any one help ?
Also there are some number in the lead pipe where the mouth piece goes. Does any one know what this number is? |
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Halflip
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| Big Horn wrote: | | I have the serial number in the side of valve 2 and it is 552360. I am trying to find out which year this is. |
Read the second post in this thread.
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Big Horn
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| Halflip wrote: | | Big Horn wrote: | | I have the serial number in the side of valve 2 and it is 552360. I am trying to find out which year this is. |
Read the second post in this thread. |
I have read that but the serial number I have in the second valve is not listed, hence me asking. Unless I have missed it? |
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Halflip
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| Big Horn wrote: | | I have read that but the serial number I have in the second valve is not listed, hence me asking. Unless I have missed it? |
Your serial number falls between 218855 (serial number of the first horn produced in 1963) and 700000 (serial number of the first horn produced in 1964); therefore, your horn was produced sometime in 1963.
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Big Horn
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| Halflip wrote: | | Big Horn wrote: | | I have read that but the serial number I have in the second valve is not listed, hence me asking. Unless I have missed it? |
Your serial number falls between 218855 (serial number of the first horn produced in 1963) and 700000 (serial number of the first horn produced in 1964); therefore, your horn was produced sometime in 1963. |
I see , thank you |
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JHirakawa
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Even if a slze is stamped on the valve block, I would measure the bore myself, just out of curiosity. It could have a step-bore. My Committee has the serial no. 151,xxx on the valve block with no indication of bore size. It was made in 1946 per the chart. The bore measures 0.430" at the exit of the leadpipe, entering the tuning slide and 0.445" at the exit of the tuning slide and at the 2nd valve slide.
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Halflip
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| JHirakawa wrote: | | My Committee has the serial no. 151,xxx on the valve block with no indication of bore size. It was made in 1946 per the chart. |
Actually, since per the chart the lowest serial produced in 1946 was 154289, your horn was likely produced in 1945.
You make a good point about the actual measured bore size versus markings on the horn, although the inquiry about bore size was posted by isler in 2004. (Big Horn revived this 'zombie' thread to ask about the manufacture date of his horn and a number on his leadpipe.)
Do you have any information about the possible meaning of a number stamped on a Committee leadpipe?
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JHirakawa
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| Halflip wrote: | | JHirakawa wrote: | | My Committee has the serial no. 151,xxx on the valve block with no indication of bore size. It was made in 1946 per the chart. |
Actually, since per the chart the lowest serial produced in 1946 was 154289, your horn was likely produced in 1945.
Thanks for the information on how to read the serial number chart. So I have a 1945 Committee. Found it at a local estate sale a couple of months ago. It was in original condition, almost flawless lacquer, no dents, beautiful valves, (nice compression with Hetman no. 2 oil), original case, Martin no. 8 mouthpiece. Don't know anything about misc numbers on a leadpipe.
Do you have any information about the possible meaning of a number stamped on a Committee leadpipe? |
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