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sergeybondarev
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An interesting question ... Покрытие инструмента... It is believed that nikel cover a very cheap option. I think the most important result. As a result of sound. Of course, opinions may differ from my colleagues ...
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kehaulani
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When I asked a man at the Kanstul factory about this covering, he said that a nickle plating would give the sound a slightly darker sound than with the silver finish.
Покрытие инструмента (Plating, covering)
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| kehaulani wrote: | Steve - a couple of quesstions.
Was the Kanstullation that you A/B'd with the Conn, nickle plated or silver plated? Kanstul offers nickle plating but I believe their "default" version is silver plated.
Regarding the construction of the Kanstul, I have read on this forum that the original bore was constructed with a certain taper that the Kanstul did not follow. Any thoughts? If so, that might account for some difference in the sound you heard.
Also, I have read here that the outer dimensions of the two horns are not the same.
Thanks for your thoughts. (And for your post above.) |
The Kanstul 990 was the nickel-plated "Kanstullation." "Was," because it's been discontinued. Strangely enough, it didn't have the wide wrap of the classic Connstellation -- it had a narrower, more traditional trumpet wrap. The 991 is still made and has the wide wrap like a classic Connstellation, but the factory finish has always been silver plate with gold highlights.
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sergeybondarev
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It seems to me that the old Conn 38B are still a secret. That's why he has such a magical and never repeatable sound.
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I've been playing a Kanstul Maricahi/991/Kunstellation since 2002. I'm on my 2nd one! The first one I had I made the mistake of stripping it to raw brass. Although it felt lighter and played a little warmer it just lost the "heft" that the original silver/gold plate gave it. A couple years ago I purchased another one and, except for taking the useless trigger off, I left it alone! There is DEFINITELY something magical about this horn FOR ME. MANY other horns have come a gone but it's the ONE horn that I will NOT get rid of! It does everything I ask of it from small group jazz to dixie to lead in a big band, etc. It also hasn't found a mouthpiece that it doesn't like...EVERYTHING seems to work well on it. Intonation is spot on. In fact it may even beat my Schilke in that category. Valves are nice and quick, slides all work like they should, etc. Back off it and it has the most gorgeous, lyrical sound...step on the gas and it'll take your head off!!  Bottom line is I couldn't possibly ask for anything more from one horn. BTW...I NEVER liked the original Connstellations!!! Go figure!
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[quote="nieuwguyski"] | kehaulani wrote: | Steve - a couple of quesstions.
The Kanstul 990 was the nickel-plated "Kanstullation." "Was," because it's been discontinued. Strangely enough, it didn't have the wide wrap of the classic Connstellation -- it had a narrower, more traditional trumpet wrap. The 991 is still made and has the wide wrap like a classic Connstellation, but the factory finish has always been silver plate with gold highlights. |
The Kanstul 990 is still available I believe even though it has been pulled from the catalog. For whatever reason it is sold for a few hundred bucks less than the 991 making it in my opinion one of the best values of any new trumpet you can buy (check places like Dillons and Chuck Levin's).
The 990 does indeed differ from the 991 (which is supposed to be an exact copy of Snooky Young's horn) in that it is nickel plated with lacquer accent and has a more streamline "trumpet" style wrap. Another big difference is the 991 has a cornet valve block and the 990 a trumpet valve block with shorter pistons. Both share the 437 bore and huge bell-- the bell is so big it doesn't fit in a standard trumpet case. Sort of a little pit bull of a trumpet! I've owned both models and prefer the 990 oddly enough but both are very cool trumpets and although a bit out of the mainstream (always a good way to be) I can see why people love these models and the original Connstellations. |
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| kehaulani wrote: | Steve - a couple of quesstions.
Was the Kanstullation that you A/B'd with the Conn, nickle plated or silver plated? Kanstul offers nickle plating but I believe their "default" version is silver plated.
Regarding the construction of the Kanstul, I have read on this forum that the original bore was constructed with a certain taper that the Kanstul did not follow. Any thoughts? If so, that might account for some difference in the sound you heard.
Also, I have read here that the outer dimensions of the two horns are not the same.
Thanks for your thoughts. (And for your post above.) |
My horn is the 991 -the silver and gold plate. I think the 990 is nickel. Actually a very pretty horn. Not sure about the tapers. It is the same bore at slide openings as the Connie, I believe. Yes, might account for some of the difference. If you know anything about Ziggy Kanstul, it is likely any differences were actually improvements. You indicated the outer demensions might be different. To me, the 991 looks the same. - it is the wide wrap, 5 1/4 inch bell, etc, right down to the first valve trigger and adjustable 3rd. Wish I had layed one over the other when I had a 991 and Connie at the same time.
Guess my point was that the 38b was a fabulous horn. However, it is possible to get close to it in a new horn. Comments not meant to take anything away from the Connstellation.
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I appreaciate your thoughts, Steve, thanks!
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I thank my colleagues for participating! This topic will always appear ... I love the Conn 38B!!!
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I want to trumpeters drew attention to the model of the Conn pipe 38 B. .. It is very important! Check out the video .... Pay attention to paint a sound. I hope that you will hear the paint tool ... My goal - is to tell you ! I hope that many of the paint can hear the sound ... I think I understand the trumpeters ... I hope !
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I'm wondering what my fellow mouthpieces are used in this tube. These reviews are very important for me ...[/b] |
I use my 1961 38B for big band swing (it is actually the only trumpet I own now; my parents bought it for me when I started high school - - still in mint condition, with valves redone recently by Anderson Plating when they started to leak/drip). A Marcinkiewicz 311 mpc (#25 throat) is what I use for lead parts. A Marcinkiewicz Concert Hall C3 is what I use for ballads or mid-tempo feature parts like I CAN'T GET STARTED (much, much better intonation & richer timbre than the Bach Megatone). As an aside, I wish I had kept my Yamaha 8310Z & had Anderson re-plate those valves; it was a much less tiring horn for me.
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I am very happy! Thank you! This information will come in handy!
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