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sergeybondarev Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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An interesting question ... Покрытие инструмента... It is believed that nikel cover a very cheap option. I think the most important result. As a result of sound. Of course, opinions may differ from my colleagues ... _________________ Conn 20A - 28A - 37A - 38B - 80A
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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When I asked a man at the Kanstul factory about this covering, he said that a nickle plating would give the sound a slightly darker sound than with the silver finish.
Покрытие инструмента (Plating, covering) _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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nieuwguyski Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | Steve - a couple of quesstions.
Was the Kanstullation that you A/B'd with the Conn, nickle plated or silver plated? Kanstul offers nickle plating but I believe their "default" version is silver plated.
Regarding the construction of the Kanstul, I have read on this forum that the original bore was constructed with a certain taper that the Kanstul did not follow. Any thoughts? If so, that might account for some difference in the sound you heard.
Also, I have read here that the outer dimensions of the two horns are not the same.
Thanks for your thoughts. (And for your post above.) |
The Kanstul 990 was the nickel-plated "Kanstullation." "Was," because it's been discontinued. Strangely enough, it didn't have the wide wrap of the classic Connstellation -- it had a narrower, more traditional trumpet wrap. The 991 is still made and has the wide wrap like a classic Connstellation, but the factory finish has always been silver plate with gold highlights. _________________ J. Notso Nieuwguyski |
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sergeybondarev Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:16 am Post subject: |
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It seems to me that the old Conn 38B are still a secret. That's why he has such a magical and never repeatable sound. _________________ Conn 20A - 28A - 37A - 38B - 80A
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maynard-46 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:52 am Post subject: I love trumpet Connstellation 38B !!! |
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I've been playing a Kanstul Maricahi/991/Kunstellation since 2002. I'm on my 2nd one! The first one I had I made the mistake of stripping it to raw brass. Although it felt lighter and played a little warmer it just lost the "heft" that the original silver/gold plate gave it. A couple years ago I purchased another one and, except for taking the useless trigger off, I left it alone! There is DEFINITELY something magical about this horn FOR ME. MANY other horns have come a gone but it's the ONE horn that I will NOT get rid of! It does everything I ask of it from small group jazz to dixie to lead in a big band, etc. It also hasn't found a mouthpiece that it doesn't like...EVERYTHING seems to work well on it. Intonation is spot on. In fact it may even beat my Schilke in that category. Valves are nice and quick, slides all work like they should, etc. Back off it and it has the most gorgeous, lyrical sound...step on the gas and it'll take your head off!! Bottom line is I couldn't possibly ask for anything more from one horn. BTW...I NEVER liked the original Connstellations!!! Go figure!
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Mark Bradley Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:07 am Post subject: |
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[quote="nieuwguyski"] kehaulani wrote: | Steve - a couple of quesstions.
The Kanstul 990 was the nickel-plated "Kanstullation." "Was," because it's been discontinued. Strangely enough, it didn't have the wide wrap of the classic Connstellation -- it had a narrower, more traditional trumpet wrap. The 991 is still made and has the wide wrap like a classic Connstellation, but the factory finish has always been silver plate with gold highlights. |
The Kanstul 990 is still available I believe even though it has been pulled from the catalog. For whatever reason it is sold for a few hundred bucks less than the 991 making it in my opinion one of the best values of any new trumpet you can buy (check places like Dillons and Chuck Levin's).
The 990 does indeed differ from the 991 (which is supposed to be an exact copy of Snooky Young's horn) in that it is nickel plated with lacquer accent and has a more streamline "trumpet" style wrap. Another big difference is the 991 has a cornet valve block and the 990 a trumpet valve block with shorter pistons. Both share the 437 bore and huge bell-- the bell is so big it doesn't fit in a standard trumpet case. Sort of a little pit bull of a trumpet! I've owned both models and prefer the 990 oddly enough but both are very cool trumpets and although a bit out of the mainstream (always a good way to be) I can see why people love these models and the original Connstellations. |
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stevericks Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | Steve - a couple of quesstions.
Was the Kanstullation that you A/B'd with the Conn, nickle plated or silver plated? Kanstul offers nickle plating but I believe their "default" version is silver plated.
Regarding the construction of the Kanstul, I have read on this forum that the original bore was constructed with a certain taper that the Kanstul did not follow. Any thoughts? If so, that might account for some difference in the sound you heard.
Also, I have read here that the outer dimensions of the two horns are not the same.
Thanks for your thoughts. (And for your post above.) |
My horn is the 991 -the silver and gold plate. I think the 990 is nickel. Actually a very pretty horn. Not sure about the tapers. It is the same bore at slide openings as the Connie, I believe. Yes, might account for some of the difference. If you know anything about Ziggy Kanstul, it is likely any differences were actually improvements. You indicated the outer demensions might be different. To me, the 991 looks the same. - it is the wide wrap, 5 1/4 inch bell, etc, right down to the first valve trigger and adjustable 3rd. Wish I had layed one over the other when I had a 991 and Connie at the same time.
Guess my point was that the 38b was a fabulous horn. However, it is possible to get close to it in a new horn. Comments not meant to take anything away from the Connstellation. _________________ Steve
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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I appreaciate your thoughts, Steve, thanks! _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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sergeybondarev Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:19 am Post subject: |
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I thank my colleagues for participating! This topic will always appear ... I love the Conn 38B!!! _________________ Conn 20A - 28A - 37A - 38B - 80A
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sergeybondarev Veteran Member
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sergeybondarev Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:19 am Post subject: |
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I want to trumpeters drew attention to the model of the Conn pipe 38 B. .. It is very important! Check out the video .... Pay attention to paint a sound. I hope that you will hear the paint tool ... My goal - is to tell you ! I hope that many of the paint can hear the sound ... I think I understand the trumpeters ... I hope ! _________________ Conn 20A - 28A - 37A - 38B - 80A
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GenoValet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:42 am Post subject: |
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sergeybondarev wrote: | ...
I'm wondering what my fellow mouthpieces are used in this tube. These reviews are very important for me ...[/b] |
I use my 1961 38B for big band swing (it is actually the only trumpet I own now; my parents bought it for me when I started high school - - still in mint condition, with valves redone recently by Anderson Plating when they started to leak/drip). A Marcinkiewicz 311 mpc (#25 throat) is what I use for lead parts. A Marcinkiewicz Concert Hall C3 is what I use for ballads or mid-tempo feature parts like I CAN'T GET STARTED (much, much better intonation & richer timbre than the Bach Megatone). As an aside, I wish I had kept my Yamaha 8310Z & had Anderson re-plate those valves; it was a much less tiring horn for me. |
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sergeybondarev Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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I am very happy! Thank you! This information will come in handy! _________________ Conn 20A - 28A - 37A - 38B - 80A
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GodSong Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:15 pm Post subject: Question about the MP reciever on the 1958 Connstellation |
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I have a 58 38B Conn and the MP's I use bottom out in the receiver. I have to use tape to get a gap. Has anyone else experienced this problem with the older Conns. I have had a few and this is common. Is there a receiver MP mod that can be done to be more conducive. |
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delano Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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You can have the receiver replaced, easy job.
If your receiver is really worn out you may find a replacement receiver.
You can use a oversized backbore like the Warburton B's. |
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intrepidpooch Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:09 am Post subject: |
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Sergey I feel the same way about the Conn 8B Artist that I just got a couple weeks ago. I was buying it with the intention of having a backup for my '51 Martin Committee but this horn plays SO good that I'm actually making it my main axe! I can definitely see why Lee Morgan, Freddie Hubbard, and Woody Shaw all played this horn because it plays like a dream. If you ever get a chance to try an 8B Artist, DO IT! It's almost identical to your 38B except it has a 4 5/8" bell and is lighter weight (and has no trigger on the 1st valve slide and has a different mouthpiece receiver). _________________ Ray Callender
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quikv6 Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:59 pm Post subject: Hey Intrepid |
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...Hey Ray,
Glad you're still loving the Conn 8B!! I am really happy to hear that. I thought that horn played exceptionally well, especially considering that people have said the that earlier horns were superior.
Best of luck with it, and play it in good health!
-Chris _________________ -Chris |
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intrepidpooch Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Hey Intrepid |
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quikv6 wrote: | ...Hey Ray,
Glad you're still loving the Conn 8B!! I am really happy to hear that. I thought that horn played exceptionally well, especially considering that people have said the that earlier horns were superior.
Best of luck with it, and play it in good health!
-Chris |
Thanks a lot Chris! I heard the same thing about the ones being from Elkhart being superior horns but I actually like the way this one plays better than the Elkhart one from '65 my friend has. I know a couple of the guys in the Airmen of Note played 8B Artists from the mid/late 70s so obviously there were still good playing ones made in Abilene too! _________________ Ray Callender
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Hugh Anderson Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:46 pm Post subject: Connstellation |
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Sergey, what's the piece played on that video, do you know? And played by whom?
Thanks,
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