C-D; F-G; G-A Trills

screamertrumpet · Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2002 1:57 pm Post subject:

Yikes,
Are these the most troublesome trills out there?
Whenever I play the C-D trill, I get the Bb-C.
Whenever I play the F-G trill, I get the E-F.
Whenever I play the G-A trill, I get a different fingering for G.
How did you guys learn to play these trills?
Hopefully, I'll be auditioning for the local youth orchestra in late spring with the Hummel fully prepared...just as long as I can get the trills down.
Thanks.
Trevor

trjeam · Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2002 2:07 pm Post subject:

They are tricky. I don't know why but they are. These trills came up on my Herbert L. Clarke studies and the only way to get them correct is to play them over and over again until you get use to them.

I started to them slow then gradually got faster. But once your toungue gets the hang of it. It will become easy.
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mafields627 · Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2002 2:11 pm Post subject:

Clark Study #4 and Arban. Start slow, increase tempo, push the air through the horn. Use the tongue to assue the pitch changes. For the G-A trill, use 3rd valve for A.

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SHS_Trumpet · Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2002 2:29 pm Post subject:

For the G A trill my teachers make me to a lip trill.
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_Don Herman · Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2002 4:18 pm Post subject:

(1) Start slowly to "cement" the right pitches in mind. Gotta' hear it before you can play it!

(2) Try tonguing them, too, making sure you go up and not down. Again, this is to get the pitches in mind, plus the extra little burst of air most people get when tonguing helps play the upper notes.

(3) Keep all that in mind as you trill -- correct pitches, and make sure you blow a little harder to reach the upper notes.

This is works for me. when it works. Sometimes, anyway...

HTH - Don
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vivace · Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2002 4:54 pm Post subject:

depending the style of the music, a lip trill may work. We are playing pachelbels canon in nour small quintent sized band, plus our teacher who plays along with us. AFter the msuic goes up to the high d octave (or whatever note it is in the correct key) he does a lip trill i think on a G for him (he plays on a c) and he normally plays on baroque clarino, os he can do them no problem. It sounds really cool with the trill.

But for Cornet music, woodshed it.
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Yoinks · Veteran Member Joined: 10 Nov 2001 Posts: 258

Use your ears. Just listen for the pitches and go for it. It will take a ton of repetition.

_bugleboy · Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2002 6:58 pm Post subject:

I try to coordinate pushing the valves down with a lip trill. It takes a little doing, but you can develop a pretty clean trill on that tough one, the C to D interval if you can get the lip trill and the valves coordinated perfectly. Of course the easiest way to get the perfect trill on that interval is to play it on a C trumpet. Then it becomes a Bb to C trill and sounds great!

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screamertrumpet · Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2002 7:33 pm Post subject:

Thanks guys,
I have penty of time until auditions (It's in May), so I'll just have to incorporate Clarke's #4 and other exercises into my daily practice routine.
Thanks again.
Trevor

pair of kings · Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2002 8:24 pm Post subject:

There is a Kopprasch study in book 1 that I find helpful for practice on these trills. It starts with eighth notes, goes to triplets, then to sixteenth. The triplets seems to really help steady the airstream and make the notes seem closer together

SchilkeB1 · Regular Member Joined: 12 Nov 2001 Posts: 42

Hi,

I had the same problem gettin' the Hummel all shined up for college auditions this year. These trills are actually very much a mental thing. The problem with all these trills is that you're not going high enough, right? So what works for me is starting on the top note of the trill (have you ever noticed how just about all the pros do this?), and when you're getting into the trill, lock your lips into position for the top note. If you focus on that troublesome top note, it'll come out. This takes practice to do cleanly, with a nice tone, etc.

Matt

bachstrad72 · Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2002 1:01 pm Post subject:

If you are refering to the trills in pieces like the Haydn or the Hummel, the trills are difficult because those pieces are for the Eb trumpet where those trills become low F-G, middle B-C, and middle D-E. I think everyone would agree that these are much easier trills.

_Don Herman · Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2002 1:02 pm Post subject:

Baroque trills, I believe, often begin on the top note, but that's not true for other types of music. I'm no expert, so I let my teacher (who is) let me know when I'm starting it the wrong way.

Then there's the "how fast do I trill?" question...

Onwards (???) - Don
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