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shofarguy
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| garrett901 wrote: | | Quote: | | I'm selling my WT and ST304 to buy/trade for a lead trumpet that will accomodate very strong air flow/velocity player and provide an exceptional tradition lead sound/ sizzle. |
The WT isn't working for you ???  |
Seriously! Just order an L series mouthpiece in your rim size. Maybe try the #2 slide with it. If you can't play lead with that..., 
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gigolaw
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I don't really think there is such thing as a ultimate lead trumpet. I believe there might be the ultimate lead trumpet player or, in any case the ultimate player-trumpet lead combination. If you are a good lead player, as i believe you are, then any of the trumpets already mentioned might work. In fact, any semi-pro or pro horn in the market will let you perform great. That does not means you will sound the same in all of them. Maybe your high register will be easier in one trumpet, maybe the sound will be better in the other. So your problem is to find one that can represent a good combination of all the characteristics.you are looking for..
Now, there are some details that will help you select a good trumpet. That is putting aside the trial and error usual recommendation. I have found that reverse and round tuning slides are a constant for me.
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trmptz
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 9:23 am Post subject: Re: Ultimate Lead Trumpet |
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| zx10-ninja wrote: | Hello All!
I am a big band lead player. I think this a wonderful forum!!!! Here is my question/situation: I play my MF Horn ST305 for R and B/Jazz solo work, but i'm in search of the ultimate lead trumpet, as lead trumpet playing has been my most gratifying and favorite part of the music performance experience since I started playing 30 years ago. I put my horn down in 1989, after playing with the "Commandants Own" U.S. Marine Drum and Bugle Corps, but now I have been playing consistently for the last 4 months having a great time. I'm a Army officer and I will relocate to Washington DC in July, so by then I want have the best lead horn for me because when I get there I want to play big band lead again. In addition to the ST305 listed above, I also have a WT, MF ST 304, MF ST 302. I'm selling my WT and ST304 to buy/trade for a lead trumpet that will accomodate very strong air flow/velocity player and provide an exceptional tradition lead sound/ sizzle. My biggest worry is that M and ML bores can be overblown and shut down too easily in playing loud extreme upper register passages, but given today's modern horn designs, I'm not convinced that you can rely so much on bore size.
Please advise. THX! Rob |
Do you have pixs of the WT?? |
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KingSilverSonic
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One of the best lead horns for the buck, IMO, is a Getzen 3052. One awesome player. Then there is the Calicchio 1s/2 which would be hard to beat. Finally, if you can find a Burbank Benge Bb in good condition that would also be one to consider. Certainly many, many more, but these are ones I have had experience with.
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miles71
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 9:46 am Post subject: |
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Im a bit bias but.........................Stage 1
I can build you one that can really sizzle. My Stage 1 is a great lead horn but give me a call if interested or email through the website.
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CG Benge
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Both can be found for around $1000 (used). Both are superb for playing lead. |
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| Yamaha 6310z Shew. They don't make this model any more so it's a little difficult to find. |
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| eoj1990 wrote: | | Yamaha 6310z Shew. They don't make this model any more so it's a little difficult to find. |
Let me know if you want one of thoses 
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Charlie Melk "Primal" Trumpet.
Big fat sound, add some sizzle when you want to.
I use this horn for all of my playing.
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| shofarguy wrote: | | garrett901 wrote: | | Quote: | | I'm selling my WT and ST304 to buy/trade for a lead trumpet that will accomodate very strong air flow/velocity player and provide an exceptional tradition lead sound/ sizzle. |
The WT isn't working for you ??? |
Seriously! Just order an L series mouthpiece in your rim size. Maybe try the #2 slide with it. If you can't play lead with that...,
Brian |
The WT sold last night...YEAH!!!!! But, to be clear, I know the the WT is a fabulous horn for ALL playing styles. It (with its many slide options) gives you the flexibility to express yourself anywhere from legit concert playing to the WILDEST Chase stuff !!!!! My thing is that the MF ST 305 does the SAME but easier, plus more SIZZLE...LIGHT UP THE ROOM BABY!!!! I use the MF ST305 for jazz solos/RandB work. So, to compliment that, I want a total departure/distinction from the sound that I get that from either my ST305 or the WT for my LEAD playing. Please comment as you see fit (by the way I'm still leaning towards the 1s2 L bore). THX ALL!!! Rob
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Redhothorn
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Try the various Schilke Trumpets. ... Bill Chase, Jon Faddis ad nauseum ... I also like my Yamaha YTR8340EM Eric Miyashiro Model.
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Capt.Kirk
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I would consider larger bore 72 belled horn.
Might see if you can trade your WT in to Flip towards his Celebration. It is a .470 72 bell with a very open leadpipe. I am a huge fan of 72 bell's and open leadpipes.
To be honest though if I was looking for a lead trumpet I would prob. have Kanstul take their 700 or 900 series, put an Olds Bell on it it heavy stem light weight bell, 43 pipe, Benge pipe or CG pipe on it and then silver plate it and ship it. I would have 3 main slides for it. One in .459 square, .468 square and one round one in .460.
I might also consider the above with an Accusonic leadpipe R45X. To me the Olds bell profile makes for the best lead trumpet sound ever.
The above would be rather affordable, not like anything else on the market and a fantastic lead trumpet. I do not know of anyone else that can make you a bell with a heavy stem and light weight bell flair even before spinning starts on the finished horn. This will maintain projection while also letting the bell flair sizzle. You can not easily do that on a one piece bell. Think Olds Super and Olds Recording sound wise with the above. In this case it is new and not a collector piece so you can use it with out worry.
I wanted to thank you for your service to this country. My Dad did 21 years so I am fully aware of the lifestyle and sacrifices and just wanted to say thanks! Your work/service is appreciated by many!!!
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trmptz
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| Capt.Kirk wrote: | I would consider larger bore 72 belled horn.
Might see if you can trade your WT in to Flip towards his Celebration. It is a .470 72 bell with a very open leadpipe. I am a huge fan of 72 bell's and open leadpipes.
To be honest though if I was looking for a lead trumpet I would prob. have Kanstul take their 700 or 900 series, put an Olds Bell on it it heavy stem light weight bell, 43 pipe, Benge pipe or CG pipe on it and then silver plate it and ship it. I would have 3 main slides for it. One in .459 square, .468 square and one round one in .460.
I might also consider the above with an Accusonic leadpipe R45X. To me the Olds bell profile makes for the best lead trumpet sound ever.
The above would be rather affordable, not like anything else on the market and a fantastic lead trumpet. I do not know of anyone else that can make you a bell with a heavy stem and light weight bell flair even before spinning starts on the finished horn. This will maintain projection while also letting the bell flair sizzle. You can not easily do that on a one piece bell. Think Olds Super and Olds Recording sound wise with the above. In this case it is new and not a collector piece so you can use it with out worry.
I wanted to thank you for your service to this country. My Dad did 21 years so I am fully aware of the lifestyle and sacrifices and just wanted to say thanks! Your work/service is appreciated by many!!! |
Obviously YOU play lead trumpet??? Where can we see you play at???
So you have Kanstul build this and throw on that and then put this on and you think that will be the best lead trumpet??? Based on what?? Experience?? I doubt it!!! |
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kramergfy
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Lighten up bro. (or brighten up maybe?  )
Capt makes a good point: the Olds bell is a phenomenal design, and has a glorious sound. The Olds Recording can be deadly as a lead horn, but I find the upper register isn't as great as other dedicated lead horns. The sound though...
If I was to custom design a horn with the Olds bell for lead playing it would basically be an Olds Recording but with a lightweight bell, and maybe .464 bore.
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| Redhothorn wrote: | | Try the various Schilke Trumpets. ... Bill Chase, Jon Faddis ad nauseum ... I also like my Yamaha YTR8340EM Eric Miyashiro Model. |
Yep, particularly the B1, B5, B6, B7 and S42. I use the B6 for most of my lead work and it has never let me down in the studio, a live venue or any place in between. Of course, if you do like to pump a lot of air then the B1b would be my choice; the beryllium bell just sizzles with great resonance, projection and flexibility.
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| Michael Drapp wrote: | | Redhothorn wrote: | | Try the various Schilke Trumpets. ... Bill Chase, Jon Faddis ad nauseum ... I also like my Yamaha YTR8340EM Eric Miyashiro Model. |
Yep, particularly the B1, B5, B6, B7 and S42. I use the B6 for most of my lead work and it has never let me down in the studio, a live venue or any place in between. Of course, if you do like to pump a lot of air then the B1b would be my choice; the beryllium bell just sizzles with great resonance, projection and flexibility. |
Why not the B2 model ?
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