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jamesswilcox · Regular Member Joined: 22 Apr 2010 Posts: 58

I'd agree with Mark on what I take to be the general sentiment of his post in terms of the moderation of this sub-forum. Taking this issue on a little, I feel this forum has so much potential which is regrettably unrealised. I've posted a few times before that I think the Callet forum suffers from fundamentalism which stifles debate and exploration, and if you look at the main forum on this site you'll find examples of people posting on their because they find the Callet guys unhelpful, while nonetheless eager to explore what it's all about.

Assuming that all TH moderators are subject to the standard democratic processes, when is the next election slated for?

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crzytptman · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 9:52 am Post subject:

How about some audio or video?
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oldblow · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 10:09 am Post subject:

Would it be impossible to alter the marketplace environment to include offers, comments, discussions, suggestions, etc on specific items for sale? And would sellers be bold enough to post an item for sale and participate in the process?

I can see where this might be an advantage to instrument sales, but would be really cumbersome for mouthpieces and accessories. And of course, the discourse would need to be civil, and not lamblast a sincere description because of personality issues.
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cjl · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 10:50 am Post subject:

That's about the only thing I prefer at TrumpetMaster - the classifieds section is basically just another forum. You start a thread listing what you have for sale and anyone can ask questions, comment, etc. where the whole world can see them. Or you can send private messages etc.

Like Tommy said, a general discussion does not really belong in the Callet forum. Now if you prefer to discuss "double-standards" in the Callet forum specifically, that seems to be up to the individual moderators to police.

I've seen selling in the Reinhardt and BE forums, but they, like Callet, are basically discussion forums on the product that they promote -- their method of approach to playing.

As another example, the Horns forum is too wide-open to allow much deviation from the standard rules although some occur.

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goldenhornplayer · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 1:14 pm Post subject:

There are at least a couple of guys posting on this forum (not to mention any names) that don't seem to understand the larger picture. First, may I offer a reminder to everyone that Jerome Callet is still alive and well and should always be the primary source for information concerning his methods. Second, who the moderator of this forum is, IMHO, should be someone with much history, experience, and time with Jerome and someone who does, in fact, have the big picture. This person would not necessarily have to be a "monster" player (again in my opinion) but rather someone who can accurately explain the technique and is willing to put in the time and effort to insure the forum stays on point. I've personally been posting here since around 2000 and I can't think of anyone better than Kyle to be moderator. Sure, it would be fun to have a great player like James Morrison, just as one of many examples, that could also serve as moderator of this forum but such is not the case. I do suspect, however, there are any number of fantastic players who do use Jerome's embouchure or, at least, a very close system that could make fine moderators (if they were willing) but therein lies the rub. Who, besides Kyle, would have the knowledge, understanding, AND be willing to subject himself to the ignorant kind of posting that often occurs here? Trust me, it takes a lot of patience to deal with some of the stuff I see here. Rather than thanking Kyle for the great effort he goes to daily to keep this forum honest, all I hear is guys wanting to hear clips and see video. This forum is a place to go for information about the Callet method and not some place for a few players to show off. If you want to hear something, call Jerry and he'll be glad to play for you. And, while he's at it, he may even be able to help those of you who truly want help. It would be a great shame to forget that Jerry is still in the embouchure-teaching business and that there is no one else quite like him around. Thanks my opinion, of course. --Ken B.
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crzytptman · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 5:37 pm Post subject:

When someone brags about what following a certain method has done for their playing, and explains what they can now do, and then is also the moderator of the forum and the in house expert . . . I'd kinda like to see or hear. Especially when this someone says it's all in the sound heard by good trumpet ears. Give us an example so we don't have to guess!

In the Reinhardt forum, one can find very impressive videos by Chris LaBarbera. And, he explains things pretty well.
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ws tpt · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 5:53 pm Post subject: Double Standards

Funny thing -speaking of double standards- from 2010

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I found this on e-Bay. It is supposed to be a copy of Jerry's Jazz trumpet.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200427356398&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123

I know absolutely nothing about the company that makes this. I wonder if it really is possible to make a copy of the Jazz? I guess that it is possible to duplicate the specifications of the horn, but of course it would be lacking Jerry's personal touch.

What do you think? How close can they come to duplicating the actual Jazz trumpet?

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I have not played the Jazz Tribute, but I do know that the measurements were taken from a very good original Jazz owned by a mid-west brass craftsman. Stoner Brass and Mike of M/K both do great work. Is it possible to accurately copy another maker's horn? Absolutely. Witness the numerous Bach copies from many companies and Kanstul's versions of the classic Callichio 1S2, 1S7, Benge 3X, 3X+, Bach 37, Conn 38B, and others. This is a horn I truly wish I had the money for. For those who liked Jerry's Soloist and Jazz models, it is nice to know that the design lives on.

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The horn is a Frankenstein!! Lot's of different guys (talented guys) involved in this horn. I'm sure it's a nice horn. All pros in the manufacturing process.

Ever played Zgiggy's Benge remakes, or Burbanks or the Chicagos?? Or Lawler's Committee??hey are all nice trumpets, but they are not the same as the horns they were copying.

That being said, if you want to get one so be it.

However this forum is dedicated to Jerome Callet, his teachings, and his creations. Even giving somebody else a little face time in this forum to promote a different instrument using (exploiting) Jerry's name is not appropriate. There are other place on this website to show somebody's horn.

i am not speaking on behalf of anybody, just my own opinion.
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WS Trumpet,

Point of fact, the Soloist and Jazz were completely different instruments. One was conical one cylindrical. Both had different bells, leadpipes, and valve blocks.

Both were GREAT horns, in my younger days I played a Soloist for years, and played on (never owned) several Jazz trumpets.

Neither can touch the intonation, flexibility, compact sound, power and projection of a Sima. Jerry's newest trumpet has evolved light years from his Jazz trumpet of 10 years ago.

As Jerry's knowledge is progressed his trumpet designs have as well....just saying.
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tptguy · Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:28 pm Post subject:

I did some back checking on Mark's initial complaint. On Feb 11th he made a post in the Callet forum that consisted exclusively of a link to an ad he had in the Marketplace. The user agreement prohibits posting of ads in any forum other than the Marketplace. In an effort to be a bit more lenient, site-wide moderators frequently allow a gray area for ad-discussions in places other than the Marketplace as long as they are restricted to 1 forum only. As Mark's link was a clearly a double posting, it was removed from the Callet site, but left standing in the marketplace. He PM'd me asking about the deletion. I looked it up and gave him this info on Feb 12th. I have Mark's PM in which he confirmed receipt of my update. As of the last year or so, the Moderators have been vigilant to pull all duplicate ads so it doesn't appear a double standard was applied.

As Mark stated, "There have been a few guys on the forum, that from time to time have alluded to selling some stuff. Horns, mouthpieces...whatever."

I think this is the important info for posts in a private forum. If the post is a direct link to or duplicate of an existing ad it will likely get pulled by a moderator, probably sooner rather than later. If, however, the product is mentioned in the context of a discussion (admittedly a gray area) then the forum moderator will typically be allowed to keep or delete. It's my understanding that some forum moderators delete everything of that nature. In the Callet forum, I typically keep posts that refer to Callet style equipment. This would include Callet made trumpets and mouthpieces of any era as well as items Jerome has specially recommended such as vintage King Liberties, vintage Conn 22b, and the Weril mouthpiece model he used.

In regard to industry members, however, a double standard does exist. The moderators agree with the point made in an earlier post that members are generally more interested in industry announcements/ads. So yes, they are allowed more leeway. As long as the postings don't appear excessive (another gray area) they are given the extra latitude that Mark has noted.

In my experience, the moderators welcome well considered feedback from the membership so if anyone has strong feelings against the existing policies then a PM to the moderators would be worthwhile. For an issue in the Callet Forum, PMs usually get handled by me quite quickly, per above, unless of course, I'm out of town. During those periods, the site-moderators have a free hand. But, I've found they are generally lenient in the Callet forum unless a user violation is clear.

Best to all, Kyle

bondav · Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 9:44 am Post subject:

hello kyle,
Can you post a video or mp3 where we can hear you playing trumpet?
please.
thank you
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jamesswilcox · Regular Member Joined: 22 Apr 2010 Posts: 58

I would like to echo David's request to hear Kyle play. If the Callet sound is determined by correct method alone, me really must hear what the moderator of this forum and proponent of the method sounds like, or at the very least know why we are not permitted to do so.

tptguy · Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 1:13 am Post subject:

Though I've personally responded to similar entries before, I'm happy to answer once again. If you are truly serious about making progress on your horn then I believe without question, you should be in direct contact with Jerome. After many "shortcuts", this is the route that I now follow, without quaver. As Golden Ken points out, Jerome is still with us! I completely agree with Ken B. - the biggest mistake any of us make is to overlook the extraordinary resource we now have available: Jerry. Whenever I seek feedback on my sound and intonation, with is quite often, I play for Jerry. I'm then completely confident I'm getting guidance from the very best trumpet ears in the industry. This instrument we've chosen is extremely difficult so I intend no insult to recorded examples that some members have posted. But, I've heard some of you play. Rather than turn to those ears, I turn to Jerome. And regularly, I also turn to a couple of highly advanced MSC students/professionals for added feedback: Mac Gollehon, former lead with Buddy Rich and 1,000 others, Kenny Robinson, former ride with Maynard, and Herb Smith with the Rochester Phil. These guys are close personal friends whose ears I fully trust. Therefore, their feedback is well-guided and very valuable. Conversely, decades of experience with other "serious students of the art" left me with more problems than ever. Please don't misunderstand, I don’t for a minute begrudge these ears. I fully believe they were well intentioned. But I also fully believe they were misguided. Therefore, I no longer seek feedback from them any more than from random internet posters. Instead, I turn to the ears that I've learned to trust. I highly recommend that all serious trumpet students do the same. Get your feedback from the very best available!

Some posters have urged that I post in order to exemplify the well centered and in-tune sound that Jerome preachers we must work to attain. I continue my assertion: diligent students will get "the sound" from the numerous examples that I and other more advanced MSC students have listed in numerous previous postings. If you want to get ahead, listen to the most accomplished. Due to the internet, numerous exemplary examples are available from advanced Callet students and other superb artisans of the craft. Listen to them all. These resources are readily available training tools. The lessons are to available to all regardless of genetic talents. You CAN get this sound in your ears if you truly try.

In regard to my postings, you should observe the 3 options shared by all. 1st, this is the internet. Therefore, take all the suggestions from the internet, until personally tested and proven to you, including mine, with a grain of salt. 2nd, and much more importantly, call Jerry. He can accurately tell you if my suggestions are on target or not. I've stood beside Jerry in numerous clinics around the country and I assure you that countless of the world's finest trumpet talents regularly turn to Jerry for his guidance. To get ahead, do the same. 3rd, disregard all of MSC and see how far it gets you. If both you and the people that may hire you are secure in your current achievements then continue your current path as far as it takes you. MSC is for those that need or desire to take their playing to another level. This is a judgment call that everyone should make on their own.

Lastly, as posted before, I will post my playing on the internet when I have a published, personally approved CD to offer to the world. In the meantime, please feel encouraged to listen to me at any of the numerous clinics around the country that I regularly attend with Jerry. Jerome regularly asks me to demonstrate MSC for earnest trumpet players and I'm always happy to oblige. Or, attend any of my numerous Philadelphia area gigs, typically 2-4 per week: R&B, blues, big band, and my specialty, jazz ride. And, of course, come up and chat afterwards. I'm always delighted to discuss trumpet playing with everyone that shows a serious interest. For a select few, this art comes naturally. But the naturals are extremely few and far between. The rest of us need the most advanced instruction combined with hard, hard work.

Best to all, Kyle

tommy t. · Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 5:18 am Post subject:

That is a clear, effective, thoughtful and, frankly, somewhat inspired post by Kyle. It is one of the best extended pieces that I have seen in my few years on TH.

Thank you Kyle. I worked in person with Jerry on a mouthpiece choice when I bought my second Callet from him in the shop up north of Columbia U. Your statements both echo closely Jerry's and bring back fond and thankful memories of that encounter.

You are an example of what is good about TH.

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drewwilkie86 · Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 5:54 pm Post subject:

Mark, let's start our own rogue Superchops forum. We can operate as a splinter cell of the Trumpet Herald. We'll get Steve Hyde in there too.
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