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dbacon Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 12:30 pm Post subject: From Bud Herseth |
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•Practice long tones in all registers and volumes.
• Overlap single tonguing speed with double and triple speeds.
• Solfege–Sight sing–buzz excerpts and studies.
• There are appropriate times for beauty and crudeness – use both.
• Sound is criterion for how you do this or that.
• Melodic playing is very, very important. Know the importance of TONE, even in technical passages.
• Play tunes in high range, also pick off high notes for practice.
• Remember-shaky high range can be due to letting up before hitting the note–rather take the lump and blow, that is the only way to be great. If you let up on all the notes, endurance is lost, and the overall sound is sickening.
• Be consistent, and NEVER PRACTICE BUT ALWAYS PERFORM.
• Never have any tension in the body when playing, just learn to always relax.
• Don’t favor slurs, and in fact, DON”T FAVOR ANY NOTES.
• Only practice in 45 minute sessions, that is what Bud does.
• There is nothing wrong with your chops, your mind is messing them up. High register is no more physical than low, it should be as easy and sound just as good. Don’t make such an issue of it. This habit must be worked out and will eventually go away, however there is only one way to get rid of this bad habit, and that is to apply concepts every day in your playing.
• Play arpeggios to get all ranges to sound good by being in tune and listening to the sound.
• Play Bud’s exercises; like singers do.
• Don’t think mechanics at all on the high range, just play and listen.
• When a note sounds beautiful, it is in tune(and vice versa)
• Approach on the lines of good sound and intonation will come there too. The ear will do all the work if you let it.
• Say “tay” on the lower register to get away from the tubby sound.
• Increase air on the lower register. D and B are good examples of good low range sound.
• D, E, and E flat – let them float up to where they belong.
• Don’t think, just play beautifully. Your ear will tell you, and do all the work for you if you allow it to. Don’t try to place notes, but let them go where they want.
• After working on the mouthpiece, do the same on the horn. Play everything from excerpts to to pop tunes on it to do things musically. Remember you are performing these pieces, and not practicing them.
• NEVER PRACTICE, ALWAYS PERFORM.
• When encountering problems, technically or musically, sing them and play them on the mouthpiece. Then transfer this singing through the horn. Also, add words for added expressiveness, and sing these words through the horn. When a person sings, he does it in a naturally musical way.
• Always take 10 minutes or so off after the first 15-20 minutes of playing (the warmup).
• Rest, like Bud. FEEL FRESH ALL THE TIME.
• Project a message when you play, never impress with mere mechanics.
• Put words to everything.
• THINK ONLY WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, NOT WHAT IT FEELS LIKE!
• Practice solos much more than drills or exercises for tonguing. Every time Bud learns a new solo (or rehearses one) it adds a new spark to his playing. Vocalize through the horn. Get a message across to the people – tell them a story, an interesting one. REMEMBER THINGS THAT YOU DO NOW WILL BECOME CONSISTANT LATER AS YOU APPLY CONCEPTS.
• Pulse the primary point – it keeps the music moving, and makes the overall sound more musical.
• Practice all three forms of tonguing; only use legato for extreme double and triple tonguing, to make this tonguing move very fast.
• Slur all technical passages first so you get the tones in mind.
• Do same as above for staccato passages also.
• In all technical and lyrical passages, remember that first and foremost is
TONE QUALITY and MUSICALITY.
• When playing slowly, remember that tongue and fingers have to move as fast as usual.
• Everybody comes in late after rests, do something about it.
• Keep dynamics through phrase, and keep dynamics consistent.
• Keep slurs smooth, don’t jolt them – they are easy.
• High range is not a seperate part of trumpet playing, yet most players make such a big deal of it. It is not any more physical than any other aspects of trumpet playing, rather it should be just as musical. Just move the air more and keep a good sound, and it will always be there.
• High C is not sharp, it’s high C. No notes are naturally sharp. Just play and listen for the best sound and you will be in tune. It is very important that you think sound and not intonation. The intonation will be there if the sound is.
• It is important to hear the note played before playing it. If you do, it will be there.
• High range – don’t just think “high” before you play and expect to be able to play it.
• On releases – know how long you want to hold the note, and then stop it. Don’t just hold it until it stops.
• On soft playing – play soft as if you are playing loud. Flow air the same as a forte.
• Picture the whole phrase before you start to play. Do this all the time.
• Every note must have direction – always must be going somewhere.
• For high range, just use good air flow, with ease of middle and low registers.
• Practice a tune in all registers. Do this often, it will tell whether you are using the right concepts.
• Balance exercises with solos (music)
• Practice a session on just the mouthpiece.
• Tonguing has to be 5% consonant and 95% vowel. To much tongue inhibits the air flow. Use no more tongue than in normal speech, and release air immediately.
• Think SOUND always – loud and soft.
• Never practice- always perform.
• Practice various ways of articulating everything. (excerpts, solos, etc. i.e. slur Petroushka solo, tongue Schlossberg #18, etc.)
• Get the sound you want in your head first, then play it. Listen as much as possible.
• Send a message when you play.
• USE ONLY MECHANICS TO THINK OF PLAYING AS A WHOLE, AND BREATHING, AND ALL THE REST IS MUSIC.
• Play by sound, not by feel.
• Never work harder than necessary for a desired result.
• Do interval exercises (all articulations).
• Accent is not more tongue, but more air.
• For etude practice, get them clean slowly, then speed them up.
• Melodic playing is very important. Know importance of tone (even in technical passages).
• When you get high horns, play tune on them, then take low horn and play same pitches the same way. You will forget which horn is which.
• Relate little horns to the big ones. The same concepts apply.
• WHEN YOU MAKE A MISTAKE, BE PROUD OF IT. PUT YOUR HORN DOWN AND STARE AT THE CONDUCTOR. UNLESS HIS EAR IS GREAT, HE WON’T KNOW. IF HE DOES, FINE!
• NEVER PRACTICE, PERFORM.
• Don’t just listen to yourself on ensemble playing – let the ensemble help you on your entrances so you can be part of it and not playing along with it. All accompaniments will help you to play. Have them in your head so you just don’t play out of context.
• Listen to good artists, and know what you want.
• A trumpeter’s life is risky, and you have to be able to take those risks. No great playing is accomplished if a person is afraid of playing. To be timid or favor notes or ranges is running away from that risk.
• DON’T THINK YOU HAVE PROBLEMS TO WORRY ABOUT IN YOUR PLAYING, JUST CERTAIN ASPECTS OF YOUR PLAYING AREN’T PERFECTED YET. DON’T WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING IN YOUR PLAYING, JUST ENJOY IT!
• Practice on the mouthpiece every day before your regular session. Walk around and play anything musical (no drills) from excerpts to pop tunes. Concentrate on being very musical on these pieces, and most important, on a very LARGE SOUND on the mouthpiece.
• The mouthpiece, because of the lack of divisions, it is possible to go over all ranges, and it forces you to use your ear. Also in emergency situations, it can be used as a substitute for regular practice on the horn.
• Play a complete session on the mouthpiece once in a while. This keeps you from getting hangups on the horn, and improves everything from sound to articualtion.
• Whenever you are having problems on any piece, play it on the mouthpiece.
• Play no drills on the mouthpiece, only music.
• REMEMBER – BIG SOUND ALL THE TIME.
• When taking a breath, pronounce the word “ho” yet inhaling at the same time.
• When using this method for practice, put hand on stomach and chest – it should move out on its own due to lungs filling up.
• For getting the feeling of an absolutely open airway and flow, put one end of a toilet paper roll in mouth and inhale – note the equal ease of inhaling and exhaling.
• Breathe from low in the lungs rather than from the chest. If done correctly, the stomach will go out on its own.
• To get a big sound, it is imperative that the air flow (or movement) is greater. The pressure of air flow is not what creates the big sound, it is much the same as violin, which creates a bigger sound when the bow is moved faster across the strings then from pressure on the strings.
• Release air immediately – don’t hold it.
• Differences between cornet and trumpet – there is none due to modern methods of construction. Most of sound difference is due to bends in tubing, rather than conical vs. cylindrical bores.
• Stravinsky pieces – in world premieres of many of his works, Stravinsky said that cornets need not be used because of little difference between them and trumpets.
• Keep your horn free from ANY dirt inside. Clean it weekly if necessary. Clean mouthpiece daily. Clean horns and mouthpieces so nothing is ever in the horn.
• To have good all around range you have to have good pedal tones. This is due to more and better vibrations producing more harmonics and a richer sound.
• Slur pedal tone from octave, finger according to chart below:
C – open, B – open, Bb – 2, A – 2, Ab – 1, G – 12, F# – 23, F – 13, Eb – 123
• Play pedal tones on both Bb and C horns (harder on Bb)
• Slur and tongue down from normal notes an octave to pedal, so you have an in tune note to relate it to.
• Don’t overblow, just blow to get the best sound.
• Do Carnival of Venice starting on pedal C
• I would rather jump right in and make mistakes than be timid.
• Essence of Bud’s lessons is that he builds ego, attitude, and musicianship. He lets the technical things work themselves out.
• Have the attitude of “I can play anything”. This is necessary for great trumpet playing.
• Always, after hearing someone play something, say “I can do it better, or if not better, different.”
• Whenever you have difficulty technically, think of the passage more musically, that’s what is wrong.
• The reason Herseth is better than you are, is not that he tries harder, but he thinks musically. It is amazing what the chops can do when you get the head out of the way!
• Don’t over-warmup for a performance; always go in a little under warmed up. Just warmup as low and high as the piece will go, that’s all, then quit.
• On any orchestral excerpt, study the scores and listen to recordings. Remember that Bud really believes in listening as a teaching guide to good playing. Never play any isolated notes in orchestra. Always be aware of the color that you add and know your role. Know what is important. Remember that there are different interpretations ( that is important). Don’t just go by one recording.
• Always be heard – no matter the dynamics.
• When studying the score, know how it is to sound, and don’t change unless the conductor forces you to. Don’t wait to be told, if he isn’t taking your tempo, change it.
• For your own personal satisfaction, DO THE BEST JOB THAT CAN BE DONE!
• IT IS NOT A MATTER OF BEING BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE, HOW CAN YOU LOVE TRYING TO BE BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE. PLAY FOR YOUR OWN SATISFACTION, AND FOR OTHERS ENJOYMENT.
• IF I COULDN’T PLAY THIS THING AS WELL AS IT COULD BE PLAYED, I WOULDN’T PLAY IT!!!!
• Don’t think of auditioning for a job, or against someone, just offer what music you have to offer. If they like it, fine. If not, that’s fine too, go somewhere else. Just make music and enjoy yourself. If you do get excited, apply it to the music and not to the situation. Your goal should be to play as well as Bud, not to have a particular job!!!
• Be anxious to play, not afraid to play.
• Sound is criterion for how you play and whether you are doing things right.
• Say “tu” with the tongue for fast and nice sounding tonguing. This keeps it out of the way, or it will hinder the sound. It also keeps multiple tonguing faster and more even. Do lip trills daily for strong and more dependable high range.
• You never really know how much Doc and Bud hurt when they are playing, just play beautifully and forget how it feels.
• Don’t only try for musicality and precision in performance, try all the time as in performance. REMEMBER – NEVER PRACTICE, ALWAYS PERFORM.
• LIVE!!!!! Play and show you are alive, and have something to say to the audience.
• The horn is just a megaphone of yourself, show them how you feel!
• Don’t overblow. Take it easy. You will play better if you don’t actually blow so hard, and concentrate on the actual volume of air for a BIG SOUND. _________________ Dave Bacon
Grand Canyon University
Mesa Community College
Red Mountain Big Band
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dershem Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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++++++++++!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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tpter1 Heavyweight Member
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Wow, Dave. Thanks!!!!!! _________________ -Glenn Roberts
"Character is the backbone of human culture, and music is the flowering of human character". -Confucious |
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matthes93401 Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Remember-shaky high range can be due to letting up before hitting the note–rather take the lump and blow, that is the only way to be great. If you let up on all the notes, endurance is lost, and the overall sound is sickening. |
Could others please offer an interpretation of this quote?
I got particularly lost on the "if you let up on all the notes" section. Is there a different way of saying this? _________________ * trumpet hobbyist (engineer by day)*
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acritzer Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| matthes93401 wrote: | | Quote: | | Remember-shaky high range can be due to letting up before hitting the note–rather take the lump and blow, that is the only way to be great. If you let up on all the notes, endurance is lost, and the overall sound is sickening. |
Could others please offer an interpretation of this quote?
I got particularly lost on the "if you let up on all the notes" section. Is there a different way of saying this? |
I take this to mean, don't be overly careful and always remember to use plenty of air. You can't be afraid to miss. |
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tpter1 Heavyweight Member
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To me it’s talking about confidence; more psychological. Don’t be afraid of it. Breathe big, let it go, and don’t play apologetically. _________________ -Glenn Roberts
"Character is the backbone of human culture, and music is the flowering of human character". -Confucious |
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dbacon Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Keep the energy up... _________________ Dave Bacon
Grand Canyon University
Mesa Community College
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MisterE Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| matthes93401 wrote: | | Quote: | | Remember-shaky high range can be due to letting up before hitting the note–rather take the lump and blow, that is the only way to be great. If you let up on all the notes, endurance is lost, and the overall sound is sickening. |
Could others please offer an interpretation of this quote?
I got particularly lost on the "if you let up on all the notes" section. Is there a different way of saying this? |
Be totally committed. |
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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It's about air use. You can't hold back. Don't be timid. Go for it. Don't be afraid to miss in practicing. _________________ Bob Grier
An Old Pro
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I posted this, or something very similar about a month ago in a thread where someone was asking for playing help and with their range.
The above was completely ignored. Meanwhile about 8 pages of tongue arch and air speed debate unfolded.
Trumpet Herald is still trying to earn it's lost respect points back from that  |
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trumpetera Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:20 am Post subject: |
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Don't hesitate before playing a high note, and by that stopping the airflow.
Very easy thing to do, if not done things will be a lot easier! _________________ Bach LT 37 Bb (Mr. Findleys old)
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Bach NY ML 1943 vintage Bb
Bach 239 C, late 70's with original "Corporation" bell (!)
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lanier Regular Member
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Moderators, can you cross index this thread in the Chicago School forum? Fits both places. _________________ Blake Lanier |
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razeontherock Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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It'd fit in the high range forum too:
"There is nothing wrong with your chops, your mind is messing them up. High register is no more physical than low, it should be as easy and sound just as good. Don’t make such an issue of it. "
Man, is that good stuff! |
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| Quote: | | DON’T THINK YOU HAVE PROBLEMS TO WORRY ABOUT IN YOUR PLAYING, JUST CERTAIN ASPECTS OF YOUR PLAYING AREN’T PERFECTED YET. DON’T WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING IN YOUR PLAYING, JUST ENJOY IT! |
This one is a favourite of mine |
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geezer Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:32 am Post subject: Re: From Bud Herseth |
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| dbacon wrote: |
• There is nothing wrong with your chops, your mind is messing them up. High register is no more physical than low, it should be as easy and sound just as good.
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If Bud Herseth really said that, I hope he meant it as hyperbole rather than to be taken literally.
Because it is a platitude that contradicts reality.
Playing a Double High C requires greater firmness of the abdominal muscles than playing a 3rd-space C.
Playing a Double High C requires greater air compression than playing a 3rd-space C.
Playing a Double High C requires greater muscle development in the embouchure than playing a 3rd-space C.
And even if the person has those 3 things above going well for him, he might still be unable to play a Double High C if he is using an incorrect embouchure or mashing the mouthpiece into his face so hard that it prevents embouchure development.
So that platitude above is wrong when it claims that ability to play in the upper register is just a matter of clearing ones mind.
When a person first starts weight lifting, a 40 pound weight feels like it weighs a ton.
But after a few years of weight training, that same 40 pound weight feels as light as a feather.
The same with playing in the upper register.
At first it feels difficult accomplishing the right muscle firmness in the right areas and accomplishing the right air compression.
But after a few years of doing it, the body says "Piece of cake, easy as pie".
At that point of advanced development you think that you are relaxed because you really are mostly unaware of just how much your body is working to accomplish that Double High C.
I know, because I play Double C's all day long, and I have been doing so for many years.
The Double High C's are relatively easy for me now, after all these years.
But anybody who says that a Double High C requires no more physical effort than a 3rd-space C is not telling the truth.
And anybody who says that everybody is using an OK embouchure is just kissing babies to win a popularity election.
I'm not trying to start a flame war.
I just wanted to set the record straight. _________________ 1974 Holton ST302 |
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StupidBrassObsession Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | If Bud Herseth really said that, I hope he meant it as hyperbole rather than to be taken literally.
Because it is a platitude that contradicts reality. |
If you understand the "Chicago School" and their approach it makes fine sense.
It's not hyperbole, it's an attitude of approach. If you approach playing high like it's some great strain, you'll sound terrible and do twice as much as you need to physically. If you approach it like it's just as easy as middle C, then you will approach it in a relaxed manner which will let the note sing out rather than be forced out.
But, that said, if you disagree Geezer, I suggest you go take it up with Herseth himself. Let him explain it and show you what he means. Then you can understand it from his angle and appreciate the advice. It is good advice. |
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geezer Veteran Member
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| StupidBrassObsession wrote: | | Quote: | If Bud Herseth really said that, I hope he meant it as hyperbole rather than to be taken literally.
Because it is a platitude that contradicts reality. |
If you understand the "Chicago School" and their approach it makes fine sense.
It's not hyperbole, it's an attitude of approach. If you approach playing high like it's some great strain, you'll sound terrible and do twice as much as you need to physically. If you approach it like it's just as easy as middle C, then you will approach it in a relaxed manner which will let the note sing out rather than be forced out.
But, that said, if you disagree Geezer, I suggest you go take it up with Herseth himself. Let him explain it and show you what he means. Then you can understand it from his angle and appreciate the advice. It is good advice. |
If a weightlifter approaches a 40-pound weight as though it is only 5 pounds, then he will not be using enough force and he will fail to lift the weight.
If that same weightlifter approaches the 40-pound weight as though it weighs 200 pounds, then he will be unnecessarily over-exerting himself.
The weightlifter should have enough sense from experience to exert exactly how much force is necessary to confidently lift that 40 pounds, no more and no less.
A trumpet player should do the same.
If the trumpet player tries to play a Double High C using no more abdominal firmness and no more air compression and no more embouchure firmness (pucker) than he would use for playing a 3rd-space C, then he will inevitably fail to play that Double High C.
"If you approach playing high like it's some great strain" (your words) that is also bad because it is extreme in the opposite direction, the player is applying too much force.
A professional trumpet player should know exactly how much extra abdominal firmness and how much extra air compression and how much extra embouchure firmness (pucker) is needed to play a Double C, and he should use no more and no less.
Understatement is an alternate form of exaggeration.
Understatement says that something is less than it really is.
Exaggeration says that something is more than it really is.
A wise teacher says it exactly as it really is, no more and no less.
A Double High C at moderate loudness does not require strain,
but it does require greater abdominal firmness and greater air compression and greater embouchure firmness (pucker) than playing a 3rd-space C.
One should not mislead students by telling them otherwise.
BTW, I did not hear or see Bud Herseth say what this thread claims he said.
I only saw this thread which claims that he said it.
So my disagreement is not with Bud Herseth.
My disagreement is only with the statement that was made, regardless of who said it, because that false teaching will mislead students.
I'm not trying to start a flame war,
I want to be at peace with everyone here,
so I'll just let that be my last word on the subject. _________________ 1974 Holton ST302 |
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member

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| matthes93401 wrote: | | Quote: | | Remember-shaky high range can be due to letting up before hitting the note–rather take the lump and blow, that is the only way to be great. If you let up on all the notes, endurance is lost, and the overall sound is sickening. |
Could others please offer an interpretation of this quote?
I got particularly lost on the "if you let up on all the notes" section. Is there a different way of saying this? |
The meaning is the same metaphorically as Claude Gordon's encouragement to "Hit it hard and wish it well". The Nike commercials sum it up with even fewer words:
"No fear".
Best wishes,
John Mohan _________________ Trumpet Player, Clinician & Teacher
14 Year Claude Gordon Student
1st Trpt for "Cats", "Phantom of the Opera",
"West Side Story", "Evita", "Grease",
Disney's "Hunchback of Notre Dame", etc.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:32 am Post subject: |
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" Hit it hard and wish it well "
Back in the days of live coast to coast broadcast the CBS studio musicians had a saying " Don't nobody miss !" Many times these shows were read at sight, and Mr. Claude Gordon would keep an accurate record of how many times he would miss. Playing day after day, he once went an entire year missing only 9 notes. That's accuracy !
As told by Bill Knevitt
" Don't Nobody Miss !"
( A Systematic Approach to Building Accuracy on Trumpet )
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