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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:05 pm    Post subject: Wooden mouthpieces Reply with quote

____I am not a professional mouthpiece makers in anyway____
------more or less a hobby------
I like working with my hands to create things to let me stand out and i've recently seen antique wooden baroque mouthpieces yet cannot find videos or posts about playing with wood mps.

does anyone know or have a good guess as to what wood could be strong enough to become a functioning mouthpiece?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno, but both Kanstul and Josh Landress have used wood in this application, so they would know ...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a line of wooden trumpet mouthpieces sold a number of years ago, called Benterfa. They were sold by Stomvi (I think) and are definitely no longer available. They were constructed as turned wooden tops attached to brass shanks. There were a number of different wood options, but all the woods used were notably hard and fine-grained. Ebony was definitely one, and I think I recall olive wood being another.

Kanstul currently offers the "Woody" mouthpiece:

http://www.kanstul.com/MPcustomWoody.php

But only the cup is wood. The rim and shank are plated brass, and the cup material is mysteriously described as "diamond wood."
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess any close grained or naturaly water repelant wood would be strong enough.To minimise splitting you might have to enlarge the shank and fit an oversized receiver to take it. You could of course always fit a wooden top to a metal shank. But the big downside would be the feel on the lips. Wood, being absorbant, would stick, like a harmon mute does. Don't think I could work with that.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To minimise splitting you might have to enlarge the shank and fit an oversized receiver to take it. You could of course always fit a wooden top to a metal shank


THANK YOU! haha you probably just saved me so much time and effort
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How 'bout lignum vitae? That would seem to me to be the obvious choice.

Doc Reinhardt did experiments with various materials to make horns and mouthpieces, and "blindfold" tests demonstrated that the material the mouthpiece was made of had nothing to do with the sound it produced. It had everything to do with the player's comfort, though, which turned out to be the number one consideration. (This was back in the 40's when he began making transparent mouthpieces.)

Now, of course, we're not talking about styrofoam mouthpieces. Materials hard enough and smooth enough to be comfortable mouthpieces were used, and none of the listeners could tell the difference.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello,

The company Lignum-Tech in Germany offers them:

http://www.lignum-tech.com/

You can choose different materials, and they are pretty durable, as trumpeters tell me, who use them.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BeboppinFool wrote:
Doc Reinhardt did experiments with various materials to make horns and mouthpieces, and "blindfold" tests demonstrated that the material the mouthpiece was made of had nothing to do with the sound it produced. It had everything to do with the player's comfort, ...


That's interesting news. That suggests to me that those of us experienced in wood working (and which is cheaper) can mess around with our own wooden prototypes until we hit what we like... and then we can send it to Mr. Curry or Kanstul and beg them to make one just like it in brass! Perhaps I can find my own version of the F.O. Xtreme for my trumpet

Thanks for sharing the info!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have and still use occasionally a Benterfa made from ebony. It is very smooth on the chops. I did not like the rosewood version- too much texture from the grain. I think colo bolo was another choice too.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BeboppinFool wrote:
How 'bout lignum vitae? That would seem to me to be the obvious choice.


Before the Industrial Revolution in the late 19th Century, and during the early stages of it, lignum vitae was used for ball-bearings ... until it was replaced with steel.

Hard stuff. Sycamore is pretty hard, also. A hammer blow will bounce off of a sycamore board, with only faint indentation.

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