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TCEmusic New Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:41 pm Post subject: How to become consistent |
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Hi all, this is my first post. I'm a high school trumpet player, I've been a lurker here for a couple of years but finally decided to make an account and post.
My playing unfortunately varies greatly in quality from day to day.
Currently I have some amazing days where I own an in tune and solid double C (not that I've ever needed it), have a great resonant sound that puts me on par with students from the local college, and can multiple tongue and play technical passages with clarity at very fast tempos with ease. Other days I only have a slightly-better-than-decent tone can only play up to an out-of-tune 4 ledger line G and have difficulty playing technical or multiple tongued passages. And other, other days I sound like complete crap.
I want to be able to consistently sound amazing every day not just some days. How can I do this? |
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Rubo Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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What does your private teacher have o say about this? _________________ 1974 LA Benge CG
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TCEmusic New Member
Joined: 12 Jun 2012 Posts: 10 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Rubo wrote: | | What does your private teacher have o say about this? |
I don't have a private teacher and due to circumstances that i won't go into here I can't get one until October-November |
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Trumpet_Lover Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:06 pm Post subject: Take it easy |
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First: don´t play 2ble high c´s, you don´t need that, that is for a very experienced lead....they have strong chops...they know how to scream without hurt, your lips are young, you need years of Maggio or another high range technique...........OK you can hit 2ble high c´s t but remember that your lips are the only tool you have for the rest of your trumpet life...not like the W.W....they broke Reeds and just buy another one...we don´t. Is better to start with a good solo repertoire than kill your lips with scream stuff, you know...in order: for example
________LEVEL 1_________
Barat - fantasie en Mi bemol
Corelli/Fitzgerald - Sonata VIII
Handel/Musser - sonata for trumpet
Ropatz - Andante and allegro
BALAY - Andante and Allegretto...the with the time go for an advanced repertoire like F.J. Haydn J.N. Hummel –A. Arutiunian –E.Bozza –Neruda- Tomasi...Don´t play this at the begining....take care of your lips...they are a baby!!! teach them first to walk...don´t to fly!!! –please don´t forget the David Hickman trumpet excerpts.
Second: Get the Allen vizzuti Book 1, for intermediate beginners....please follow his instructions, Allen is an extraordinary experienced player and professor, he knows this instrument better than Me and you...you cannot play because of your intense routine, your lips are killed!!! so in that manner you can play any time...and yes....Allen includes a wonderful high range exercises....this is a very fine book. Best.
sorry for grammar. _________________ Time for practice!
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crzytptman Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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That's how it goes when you're a young, developing player. Consistency comes with maturity in age and with the horn. Just keep trying to play your best every day. _________________ Crazy Nate aka Jive-a-licious
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Strive to have a great day, full of learning and enlightenment, using the mind that God gave you.
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TCEmusic New Member
Joined: 12 Jun 2012 Posts: 10 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: Take it easy |
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@Trumpet_Lover, thanks for all the advice but I have 3 things to say:
1) How does playing high notes hurt my chops- I don't force them out and use tons of pressure I actually play them with ease using a focused air stream and tongue arch (Claude Gordon style).
2) You recommended Allen Vizzutti book, for intermediate beginners, but I'm not exactly a beginner, even at my worst I'm closer to late-intermediate or early advanced. Do you have any books to recommend for a player at the level I described?
3) I don't think its a chop problem- regardless of my quality of playing on a given day (even my bad days) I always have good endurance and never get tired. I'm not actually sure what the cause of my inconstancy is. |
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EdMann Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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Your level of consistency is a function of your life as a human animal. When you're more consistent with when you arise, when you hit the sack, what you eat for brkfst, your attitude from day to day, what/when you exercise... you get it-- then you can think about becoming more consistent in your musical life. Until then, forget it.
When we sound like crap, we feel like crap, and the latter precedes the former.
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Trumpet_Lover Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Ok so you are not a beginer!!! in that case you can make a good routine but basically is the same...Wake up in the morning, make a lip buzzin 5 minutes excercises, then go to some trumpet mouthpiece buzzing stuff, like arpegios, then long tones, then some technical etude like clarke, start from 1st space F and go 1 up 1 down in that order you can practice all of them without get tired, Allen include a wonderfull exercises on this, in that order you can practice all of them without get tired, then rest.....2 hours or more....believe me...I played, Boza rustiques, Arutiunian , and Hummel all on Bb trumpet in the same night!! Bach 1.5 open throat I made a good consistency in this maner...believe me I tried docens of routines...this is the best!!! for a good sound..a fresh sound anytime, a fresh atack anytime anywhere, good range...now I can focus on music not on survive!!! I recomend you the Allen Method...
1- Warm up
2- Technical stuff
3- Music- Band. orquestral excerpts and repertoire, some jazz stuff.
Follow thw Allen Model. Books. the next is an example.
Legato
• Arban, Complete Conservatory Method (Carl Fischer) - Easy to Medium - "The Art of Phrasing"
• Collins, In the Legato Style (Manduca Music Publications) - Medium?
• Concone, The Complete Solfeggi (Balquhidder Music) - Easy to Medium
Scales
• Arban, Complete Conservatory Method (Carl Fischer) - Easy to Medium - pp. 17-20, 59-75
• Gates, Odd Meter Etudes (Fox) - Easy to Medium Difficult - #1,5,7,9,15,18
• Mathie, Drudgeries (Giardinelli) - Easy to Difficult
• Pfund, The Trumpeter’s Supplemental Guide (Pfund) - Easy to Medium - pp. 29-31
• Williams, Method of Scales (Colin) - Easy to Medium
Arpeggios and Chord Progressions
• Arban, Complete Conservatory Method (Carl Fischer) - Easy to Medium - pp. 20-21,42-151,256,258,290
• Bousquet, Thirty-Six Celebrated Studies (Carl Fischer) - Medium #19
• Charlier, Thirty-Six Etudes Transcendantes (Leduc) - Medium to Difficult - #3,8,11,15,17,19,23,32,34
• Lillya, Trumpet Technics (Balquhidder Music) - Medium to Medium Difficult - pp. 16-17,21-22,24-27
Range
• Colin, Advanced Lip Flexibilities (Colin) - Easy to Difficult
• Lin, Lip Flexibilities (Balquhidder Music) - Medium to Medium Difficult
• Walter Smith Top Tones
Finger Dexterity
• Clarke, Technical Studies (Carl Fischer) - Medium
• Hickman, Trumpet Lessons, Vol.4 (Tromba) - Medium
Sightreading
• Barker, Sightreading and Technique (Moorcraft) - Medium
• Hickman, Speed Reading for Melodic Instruments (Wimbledon) - Medium
Eddie Lewis Daily Practice Routines
Shlossberg CD??
David Hickman trumpet excerpts Vol 1 to last.
GOOD LUCK
 _________________ Time for practice!
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Trumpet_Lover Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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OHHHH I made a big mistake...The Book 1 of Allen is for Intermediate/advanced players....not beginers. _________________ Time for practice!
Sonare TR9-Bys Trumpet
V.Bach Mercedes Trumpet
Getzen Flugelhorn
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trumpetninja Veteran Member
Joined: 22 Jun 2008 Posts: 136 Location: Austin
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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For my playing to be consistent on a daily basis I have to get in a good warm up and I need to practice every day. There are some excercises that if I don't do, my playing just doesn't feel right. Do you warm up daily and do you practice approximately the same amount daily? Perhaps this is part of the problem.
Best,
E. _________________ Music is my business.
Living the good life.
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1994 Bach 229/25H
1939 N.Y Bach 31 Bb trumpet (in need of work)
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irith Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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I had much the same issue until I started doing more thoughtful warm-up. What you do for warm-up isn't that important (beyond starting simply and easing into more complicated things), but how you go about it is critical. Pay close attention to what you feel and hear as you're starting, and iron out any issues. Don't brush past everything on the good days, either. Make sure you go through the whole warm-up routine, whatever it is.
Mostly, make sure you're centered, having good response, sounding your best and feeling stable over your entire range. Be in control of the instrument, don't let it control you. After that, just have patience. This may do very little at first, but you'll soon realize the benefits of a consistent warm-up.
I'll also echo the comments about getting non-trumpet things more consistent - start playing at the same time every day, have a consistent sleep/meal schedule, etc. _________________ Trumpets.
Mouthpieces.
I have some. |
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royjohn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Hi TCEmusic,
You wrote:
| Quote: | | Currently I have some amazing days where I own an in tune and solid double C (not that I've ever needed it), have a great resonant sound that puts me on par with students from the local college, and can multiple tongue and play technical passages with clarity at very fast tempos with ease. Other days I only have a slightly-better-than-decent tone can only play up to an out-of-tune 4 ledger line G and have difficulty playing technical or multiple tongued passages. And other, other days I sound like complete crap. |
Then in a later post you said:
| Quote: | | I don't think its a chop problem- regardless of my quality of playing on a given day (even my bad days) I always have good endurance and never get tired. I'm not actually sure what the cause of my inconstancy is. |
I don't want to try to bust your chops [sic!] just because you are in high school, as some around here do. You might play better than most people twice your age. If your description of your playing on your good days is accurate, you clearly have some things very right.
That said, I can't call tone that varies from very good to "crap" from day to day and range that varies from dubba C to fourth ledger G to ?? anything but a technical problem and I myself would also call it a chops problem. It sounds like sometimes your embouchure is where it's supposed to be and sometimes it isn't. Being a Reinhardt kind of guy, I would wonder about the four legs of the embouchure being consistent and the mpc staying on the lips when taking a breath. A consistent embouchure motion, too. Others might focus on a warmup, the sound, etc.
As far as multiple tonguing being there one day and not the next, maybe that is practice until it is there all the time. I know I have major trouble with it and have trouble motivating myself to practice it enough. Same with consistency and good habits, mine aren't good enough. Of course, at 65 this month, I have an advantage over you, since I can look in the mirror now and say to myself, "And when is this organization going to happen? When you're 90? Good Luck!" I really enjoy hearing Elvis sing, "It's Now or Never . . . . "
All I can say is trumpet is a great character builder. Don't fool yourself, look at what you're doing and work on it. _________________ royjohn
Trumpets: 1928 Holton Llewellyn Model, 1957 Holton 51LB, 2010 Custom C by Bill Jones, 2011 Custom D/Eb by Bill Jones
Flugels: 1975 Olds Superstar, 1970's Elkhardt, 1970's Getzen 4 valve
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Trumpet_Lover Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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So my suggestion is ......the warm up I mentioned above , then rest 4 to 5 hours, pre warm up #1 ( like stamp, first with mpc then trpt..... each one mpc trpt) not to much of warm up,then fingering exercises (don’t start to high) same method mentioned above...start on F 1st space 1 up 1 down, go to Tongue exercises 1 of each...single...with K, double, triple, then Flexibility (Scholssberg or anything like this...just one...don´t kill yourself...(remember the routine goes far away) then one range etude (just one) , rest 4 to 5 hours, then time for music!!!!! if you notice your previous practice was not to much...you are fresh!!!! pre warm up #2 you can repeat the stamp stuff, then go to repertoire 1 or 2 pieces, some Excerpt, some jazz etude or improvisation if you want...then warm down...the Warm up A of Maggio is a good one . Very good Luck see yaaa  _________________ Time for practice!
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zackh411 Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| crzytptman wrote: | | That's how it goes when you're a young, developing player. Consistency comes with maturity in age and with the horn. Just keep trying to play your best every day. |
I like this answer... makes me feel like I'll amount to something. Also, probably true. _________________ Stomvi VRII Lightweight in Silver
1946 Martin Committee #2 Bore
Bach Strad 183 Flugel
Stomvi Elite Piccolo
Bobby Shew Jazz Mouthpiece w/ 18 Drill (Legit)
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Stomvi JMZVR w/ M4 Backbore Jim Manley Mouthpiece (Lead) |
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swthiel Heavyweight Member

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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:50 am Post subject: |
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I have a comment and some questions for the original poster:
The comment: I see a lot of wisdom in the posts above by crzytptman, EdMann, and irith.
The questions:
1) What is is your playing day like -- content, pacing, time(s) of day?
2) How consistent is your practice routine? Do you have a "standard" warm-up and progression through your practice material?
3) What do you use to start your playing day (warm up)? _________________ Steve Thiel
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Matt Parkinson Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Hi there,
Lots of things can affect your day to day playing such as how much you played the day before, general health and also mental attitude.
I believe consistency comes when both the physical and mental elements of playing trumpet are, pardon the pun, 'in tune'.
Practicing a solid routine focusing on the basic seven elements of trumpet playing will build the physical side and then as a bi product of being able to play well you become more relaxed in your own playing and the 'fear' aspect diminishes or disappears.
My advice would be to start practicing the Claude Gordon material, which has done wonders for me and many of my friends and colleagues, and try not to worry about the consistency, it will come
Maybe get a lesson with Jeff Purtle (www.purtle.com), he will definately put you on the right track!
Regards,
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TCEmusic New Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| EdMann wrote: | Your level of consistency is a function of your life as a human animal. When you're more consistent with when you arise, when you hit the sack, what you eat for brkfst, your attitude from day to day, what/when you exercise... you get it-- then you can think about becoming more consistent in your musical life. Until then, forget it.
When we sound like crap, we feel like crap, and the latter precedes the former.
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I understand how having a consistent routine/warm up could help me but I fail to see what my sleeping, eating and exercise habits have to do with anything. |
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TCEmusic New Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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| swthiel wrote: |
The questions:
1) What is is your playing day like -- content, pacing, time(s) of day?
2) How consistent is your practice routine? Do you have a "standard" warm-up and progression through your practice material?
3) What do you use to start your playing day (warm up)? |
I don't spend a lot of time warming up usually just 5-8 minutes of chromatic runs, scales, and simple lip slurs then I start playing. My practice routine currently consist of Arban's, Stamp, and Claude Gordon tongue level exercises.
I typically practice every day for 3-4 hours total in 3-4 different sessions. I usually practice at the same times each day but don't specifically make a point out of doing so. |
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Fuzzy Dunlop Veteran Member

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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| TCEmusic wrote: | | I fail to see what my sleeping, eating and exercise habits have to do with anything. |
Oh, to be young! |
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