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hackney_wick
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ordered a 5c from Greg Black two months ago and it arrived today. He was courteous and communicative throughout the transaction. I didn't have to chase. He has had no prior dealings with me nor me with him.
I've had a lot of problems with small music stores round the world. I get the impression some of them are run off their feet. They may also be absent minded, incompetent or feckless - or worse. It's a risk you take.
Reading this thread and others like it I just wanted to say what I just said about Greg Black.
The mouthpiece is great by the way.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today I did indeed receive what Greg said he had shipped Weds. It was sent 2nd day air, 2 backbores opened up on both drill size and backbore, and re-plated.

No bill was included, neither did I pay anything previously.

Greg's always been a class act, and I gather this is his way of saying he's sorry for the delay. When he sends me the other things he's making for me, I'll include something extra, reasonable for the work he's done here.

On another note, the above poster comments how his 5C is a great mouthpiece, and a previous poster said the same thing about his 7C. These are like, THE most common mouthpiece sizes ever made, so how can they be anything special??

And yet they are.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

razeontherock wrote:
On another note, the above poster comments how his 5C is a great mouthpiece, and a previous poster said the same thing about his 7C. These are like, THE most common mouthpiece sizes ever made, so how can they be anything special??

And yet they are.


In regards to a Greg Black 3C I recently purchased... There is a 'pop' to the articulations that I've never experienced before. In addition, the overall sound is very rich and very vibrant, and the rim is extremely comfortable. I have no idea how he does it, but the sound and feel are undeniable. This is just my opinion, but his mouthpieces are quite special.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup! However he does his combination of bite and underbite, it facilitates solid attacks and clean articulation. It gives what I hear as a "regal" sound. So I work on legato tongue, as being "connected." That's my strength, so Greg's mouthpieces make sense for me. Another thing is, at every different depth of mouthpiece this combination of bite and underbite is different - but it always yields the same results on my face. I've had other mouthpiece makers look at them, and they don't know how he does it either ...

He grew up in this business, at the old Giardinelli's, when that was THE place for top East Coast players to go. He branched out on his own so he wouldn't have to "compromise quality," working in their shop.

Another thing: play from ppp to FFF and consciously do NOTHING to adjust for pitch. Compare this to any other mouthpiece you have
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

razeontherock wrote:
Today I did indeed receive what Greg said he had shipped Weds. It was sent 2nd day air, 2 backbores opened up on both drill size and backbore, and re-plated.

Hi razeontherocks

I'm very glad to hear that you have received what Greg said that he had shipped Wednesday.


No bill was included, neither did I pay anything previously.

I'm very glad also that you did not receive a bill.

Greg's always been a class act, and I gather this is his way of saying he's sorry for the delay. When he sends me the other things he's making for me, I'll include something extra, reasonable for the work he's done here.

Sounds totally fair, as obviously Greg cannot work for nothing.

I'm in the UK, so I reckon that it will be another couple of weeks until I get my pieces back. I'll keep everyone posted.

I'm again very glad to hear that some of your pieces have now arrived.

Take Care

Lou


On another note, the above poster comments how his 5C is a great mouthpiece, and a previous poster said the same thing about his 7C. These are like, THE most common mouthpiece sizes ever made, so how can they be anything special??

And yet they are.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

razeontherock wrote:
Yup! However he does his combination of bite and underbite, it facilitates solid attacks and clean articulation. It gives what I hear as a "regal" sound. So I work on legato tongue, as being "connected." That's my strength, so Greg's mouthpieces make sense for me. Another thing is, at every different depth of mouthpiece this combination of bite and underbite is different - but it always yields the same results on my face. I've had other mouthpiece makers look at them, and they don't know how he does it either ...

He grew up in this business, at the old Giardinelli's, when that was THE place for top East Coast players to go. He branched out on his own so he wouldn't have to "compromise quality," working in their shop.

Another thing: play from ppp to FFF and consciously do NOTHING to adjust for pitch. Compare this to any other mouthpiece you have


Great info, thanks for sharing. If any member of the TH community wishes to sell a Greg Black mouthpiece, please send me a pm.
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loudog
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hehehe, I DO have a Greg Black 1 1/4 top I'm trying to sell...check the marketplace.

Greg made a custom 1B set for me, with opened throats. It's essentially a C rim on a B cup, with 24 throat and backbore. By far the best mouthpiece I've played...I couldn't be happier. I also have 1C set, a 7S set for picc, and a 3CS set for lead playing. Awesome stuff...Greg is the best!

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razeontherock
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louie, when you say a "set," do you just mean a top and a separate backbore?
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hackney_wick
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

razeontherock wrote:
Yup! However he does his combination of bite and underbite, it facilitates solid attacks and clean articulation. It gives what I hear as a "regal" sound.

Absolutely. And immediately I got fantastic consistency of tone over a range of 2 1/2 octaves (now approaching 3 after two days work) with rock solid intonation whereas with any other mouthpiece of this size I get different results in different registers with rough transitions.

So I work on legato tongue, as being "connected." That's my strength, so Greg's mouthpieces make sense for me. Another thing is, at every different depth of mouthpiece this combination of bite and underbite is different - but it always yields the same results on my face. I've had other mouthpiece makers look at them, and they don't know how he does it either ...

He grew up in this business, at the old Giardinelli's, when that was THE place for top East Coast players to go. He branched out on his own so he wouldn't have to "compromise quality," working in their shop.

Another thing: play from ppp to FFF and consciously do NOTHING to adjust for pitch. Compare this to any other mouthpiece you have
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

My own mouthpieces arrived back today. The idea was for Greg to compare my Kanstul made screw rim/Bob Reeves threaded Denis Wick 4B, with an original Denis Wick 4B, to ascertain why my threaded version had lost the tone of the original, and to advise me how to proceed with achieving a 4B variant with my rim and the sound of the original.

Whether or not Greg looked at my mouthpieces, I don't know, but I am very pleased to have received them back in their original condition, well packed and with the customs declarations annotated as repair, so that I didn't have to pay custom charges.

I had hoped for a note of apology, or explanation for why he had had them since February, and had not communicated with me, but the package only contained my original mouthpieces.

At least they are back!

All the best

Lou
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Yamahaguy
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bummer Lou...but at least you and Ray got something back pretty quick-
Wish I could do more!
Peace,
-Dennis
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Greg Black Reply with quote

Yamahaguy wrote:
Bummer Lou...but at least you and Ray got something back pretty quick-
Wish I could do more!
Peace,
-Dennis


Hi Dennis

Yes, I'm just very glad to have them back.

Thanks very much for all your help. You couldn't have done more, & i wouldn't have expected it anyway. I'm just so very grateful for all that you have done.

Take care

Lou
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hope you're feeling better about things now, Lou?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:20 am    Post subject: Re: Greg Black Reply with quote

razeontherock wrote:
Hope you're feeling better about things now, Lou?


Hi Razeontherocks

I am thanks. It is a shame that i never got Greg's views on the problem with my screw rim set-up, but since i plan to use on the smith watkins, the mouthpiece i used to play test it, i won't be playing the screw rim Denis Wick anyhow.

I really hope that everything is ok now for you with your mouthpieces.

Take care

Lou
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:21 am    Post subject: Re: Greg Black Reply with quote

razeontherock wrote:
Hope you're feeling better about things now, Lou?


Hi Razeontherocks

I am thanks. It is a shame that i never got Greg's views on the problem with my screw rim set-up, but since i plan to use on the smith watkins, the mouthpiece i used to play test it, i won't be playing the screw rim Denis Wick anyhow.

I really hope that everything is ok now for you with your mouthpieces.

Take care

Lou
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's a funny guy (funny like odd) IN 1985 he cut down a 7CW to a `5D/E version of my bach 5C. `the shank was shorter. `but `i wanted a slightly shallower version of my 5C. `other than a little wobble in the shank he did a great job on that; then in 1991 `i had him do the same thing but the other way--his blank and a B cup--he didn't bother to put a bach backbone on it and you could feel it right off--it was bigger and it wasn't the cup. `that mic got me thru some hard times and within a week or so ``i got used to it and it became my everyday mpc. `it was a darker mpc than the 5C i brought him

any mpc. `i asked him to measure for me was never on spec according to him and his calipers. hope hey put AC in his work quarters which amounted to a `nyc sweatshop.

`i don't know what this hallowed rubric he is treated here, but back in those days raised voices were how most business was conducted after the work was done and what had to payed after the down payment.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Lou (Finch).
The Storks should be able to do what you were looking for with you Wick pieces. They've been making pieces for me for years and I've never had any problems.
They answer the phone too.

http://www.storkcustom.com/

Rob
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MM2 wrote:
he didn't bother to put a bach backbone on it and you could feel it right off--it was bigger and it wasn't the cup. `that mic got me thru some hard times and within a week or so ``i got used to it and it became my everyday mpc. `it was a darker mpc than the 5C i brought him


Hmmm ... "didn't bother," but achieved a superior result?

MM2 wrote:

any mpc. `i asked him to measure for me was never on spec according to him and his calipers.


He measures to .0002", and holds that tolerance on every dimension; so no, your big 3 makers aren't going to do that. Generally CNC can't do that, but he speaks very highly of Mark Curry's work.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gringoloco wrote:
Hey Lou (Finch).
The Storks should be able to do what you were looking for with you Wick pieces. They've been making pieces for me for years and I've never had any problems.
They answer the phone too.

http://www.storkcustom.com/

Rob


Hi Rob

Thank you very much.

I'll check them out.

Thanks again

Lou
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

razeontherock wrote:
Louie, when you say a "set," do you just mean a top and a separate backbore?


Yes, sorry I didn't clarify. I have a couple backbores for each top that are machined to match. My tops have larger throats than what is stock, so the backbores must have a matching throat.

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