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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, not an MD yet, but from what I heard all antihypertensive drugs can cause you to feel a little light-headed or worse. They can also cause headaches. It is because your blood vessels, especially ones in your head are used to the higher pressures you had before. It takes some time, maybe a few months for the vessels to gradually adjust to the new levels of blood pressure and the symptoms will go away. Obviously it also depends on the severity of hypertension. As others mentioned it probably is exacerbated by valsalva manouver.
It is good advice to drink adequately.
You can also talk to your doctor about a lower dose of the drug, provided you do all the necessary lifestyle modifications- just excercise and elimminating excess salt from the diet is effective
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally !!! Got an appointment(18 June). I'll keep you apprised...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well after talking with the "Doc", I've decided to keep using my current med. She recommended I get one of those home BP machines and monitor my BP before, during and after playing. to see what happens. She totally understood the Valsalva thing, that was a great suggestion.

She also suggested I take a few pounds off. I think she's probably correct.

Thanks everyone for the suggestions and thoughts. I especially like the thought of getting off the meds by loosing some weight and getting back to eating/exercising better.

Here's to NOT seeing the "sparkles" any more !
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"What ever the truth falls on, it will grind it to powder..it may just take a little time" - Art Blakey
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crzytptman wrote:
You should look into removing grain and grain products from your diet. Also potatoes, legumes and definitely soy.


So wait, what's wrong with legumes? I thought those (all beans, right?) were good for you? (Slight protein, fiber, maybe some micro-nutrients)
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends upon what year it is, as to which answer is correct.

In my life so far, I've been told <Don't Eat X>, and <Eat Some X> and <Eat a LOT MORE X> so many times, over various time periods I can't track it anymore.

Is this a year where we are, or are not supposed to eat eggs, for example? Hard to keep track.

If the doctors and diet specialists can't figure it out, how are we supposed to? I'm inclined to believe that they're making it up when they keep contradicting themselves year after year.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RandyTX wrote:
It depends upon what year it is, as to which answer is correct.


I think it's more a question of - who are you willing to listen to? If nothing else, this thread has highlighted that there have been some vested interests involved in suggested guidelines that have had the US Gov't's seal of approval ...

I find it interesting to peruse comments made along these lines, by people in the oldest age bracket on the planet. Like 110 and up.

There's also the simple fact that humanity is not a one size fits all condition, not in any respect. There seem to be more factors involved than anyone has really accounted for yet!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

razeontherock wrote:

So wait, what's wrong with legumes? I thought those (all beans, right?) were good for you? (Slight protein, fiber, maybe some micro-nutrients)

Anti-nutrients, lectins . . .

You were right about this:
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there have been some vested interests involved in suggested guidelines that have had the US Gov't's seal of approval ...


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http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/comp-anat/comp-anat-1a.shtml
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is interesting how this developed into a nutritional type of discussion. I suppose that's to be expected considering, "we are, what we eat"!

I've been looking into various diet's lately and aspects of the "cave man diet" do make sense to me. But then I think, no, it does not make sense, because I think ancient man would try to eat anything he could to keep from starving to death. I mean, no potatoes? Really? No beans, Come, on... Now I can understand the wheat and grain thing, to a point. But consider this: Most of the Indian Tribes here in California, their diet was based on meat and acorns! Acorns are highly toxic and unless prepared correctly, will kill you if you ate it ! I'm sure at some point in time we learned thru trial and error, what to eat and what not to eat, and how to prepare it. I guess it just depended on who survived dinner !!! I mean if you think about it, deer were eating it, so why cant I ? Right?

I can just imagine what the very first person thought when he pulled a crab out of the water. "Mmm, that looks tasty!!!"

I think moderation is better than depervation. Instead of eating half of a large, double peperoni pizza, I think I'll have two pieces and a big salad ! Lot's of water !!!

This is fun !
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:52 am    Post subject: Re: To the M.D. Trumpet players out there Reply with quote

garrett901 wrote:
Hey all, quick question. I'm taking blood pressure med called Lisinopril (40 mg). Seems that the past year and a half I have been getting progressively more "dizzy" when playing high passage music, which is my specialty. At firs, it was just, annoying, and easily controlled. It's different now, much worse.

So I know I have to talk to my Doctor about this, and I believe I have read in other threads that Lisinopril can cause this side effect in high note players. The question is, How do I descried in medical terms the process in which I generate the internal pressure needed to play high passages to a M.D. who has know idea about what I'm talking about or who has zero experiences with we crazy horn players? I just figure knowing in medical terms what is happening internally, they would be able to prescribe a better (less side effects) med for my blood pressure.

Thoughts ? And thank you for your professional advice. It's much appreciated.


Hi Jeff,

I read this post of yours but didn't reply, because I'm not a doctor and felt you would get better advice from a good MD than what I could provide.

But then today I saw the following sentence of yours in another post on another topic (downsizing mouthpieces):

garrett901 wrote:
Oh, I should note: I went from a Benge CG 1 S (like a Bach 1 1/2, but deeper) to a peashooter. 0.600 diam. shallow cup.


This made me think about the following quote from Claude Gordon's book, "Brass Playing Is No Harder Than Deep Breathing":

Claude Gordon wrote:
A young player who has not developed the use of his tongue correctly and wants to play high right away will get a small, tight, so-called high-note mouthpiece. Because it is small and tight it does create a resistance. But where? On the wrong side of the lip vibration, thus hindering their function. Furthermore, it is a set resistance which cannot be changed. It is fighting you in every register. That is why you see young players forcing so much, turning blue, red, purple and sometimes passing out, causing no end of frustrations, bad habits and problems.


Though Claude referred to "young" players in that text, in person he did not limit his opinion regarding small tight mouthpieces to just young players.

Did your troubles with dizziness start or increase after you went from that big and open CG1 to the tiny mouthpiece?

Hoping for a great outcome for you,

John
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

garrett901 wrote:


I think moderation is better than depervation. Instead of eating half of a large, double peperoni pizza, I think I'll have two pieces and a big salad ! Lot's of water !!!

This is fun !


Since the subject has been modified.

I recently won $700 in a "greatest loser" contest at work losing 50 pounds over 12 weeks.

I'm not bright enough to figure out all the combinations of inputs, so I concentrated on one.

The law of thermodynamics.

I purely used calorie count.

There are calculators on line that will help you estimate one your daily calorie requirement.

Given one pound of fat = 3500 calories, if one reduces 1000 calories a day, that translates into 2 pounds a week.

Right now for me (I'm trying to repeat the process) that comes to 1600 calories a day.

The only way to do this is with a log book of everything going in. NO EXCEPTIONS.

If you don't know how many calories..guess what, you don't get to eat it.

For me, that often translates out to pre-portioned food such a frozen dinners, or for work Hormel "Compleats" I don't (for me ) worry about salts because my kidneys work fine...others that might be an issue.

The flip side, and what makes things so difficult....if you screw up and OVER EAT, it's very hard to recover...or at least sets you back big time. If you eat let's say an additional 3500 calories at a buffet dinner...well that will take at least 4 days of your diet to recover. So why you can only take off at a slow rate, you can screw up rapidly. Thus the daily calorie count requirement.

I'll leave it to others to discuss what that 1600 calories SHOULD consist of, but for me I know that a Dunkin Donuts Jelly filled are only 210 calories...so if I want..i can have 7 of those babies in a day, and still stay on diet.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fred, regardless of your short term results, it's not a numbers game in that way. You may think you are healthier because you dropped some pounds, but you're killing yourself with that stuff you put in your mouth. Check out the links I posted. Don't eat anything that comes in a package, plastic container, out of a microwave oven, through a window, or is advertised on tv.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crzytptman wrote:
Don't eat anything that comes in a package, plastic container, out of a microwave oven, through a window, or is advertised on tv.


And for God's sake exercise regularly. Throughout all of human history until like 100 years ago, our ancestors were working their butts off. We didn't evolve to sit in cubicles and stare at computer screens. Even if you're a "healthy" weight thanks to a fast metabolism, it doesn't mean your brain and heart don't need exercise.

If you need something that's low-impact, I'm a huge fan of swimming. It's a great full-body strength building exercise mixed with aerobics, and it's a lot more fun than running anyways.


RandyTX wrote:
Is this a year where we are, or are not supposed to eat eggs, for example? Hard to keep track.


Eggs are cool at the moment, just fry them in olive oil or something instead of butter.


veery715 wrote:
there is a lot of money available to drive our populace TOWARD processed, convenient, food alternatives


"Food alternatives". I love the way you phrased that. And it's true...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete - Amen, brother! Except for this:
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Eggs are cool at the moment, just fry them in olive oil or something instead of butter.

Olive oil is good for you, unless you heat it. The best cooking oil is coconut. However, for eggs, of which I eat 12 - 16 organic free range a week, I use organic butter from grass fed pastured cows.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crzytptman wrote:
Olive oil is good for you, unless you heat it. The best cooking oil is coconut. However, for eggs, of which I eat 12 - 16 organic free range a week, I use organic butter from grass fed pastured cows.


Interesting, I had vaguely heard about this but hadn't really looked into it.

Seems that it's not exactly "bad if you heat it".... It's bad for you if you heat it "past its smoking point". Some flavonoids (whatever those are) are somewhat damaged by heating, but small amount of internet research says that's not a big deal.

The smoking point for olive oil is apparently ~380F, so if you're cooking with temperatures higher than that free radicals form and it's bad for you or something. This is a problem with all oils, but other oils do tend to have a higher smoking point than olive oil so may be a better choice if using high heat.

My oil doesn't seem to smoke when I cook eggs... I usually put a little oil in the pan, turn the heat on, and then chop up onions and crack eggs and stuff to put in while it's all heating up. I've never seen smoke or anything before I dump everything in, though it's possible that I could be over-heating it while cooking the stuff.

But my internet research says it's not really the end of the world even if you DO burn your cooking oil. Also, olive oil has lots of antioxidants which help soak up any free radicals that may be formed by burning the oil, if that does happen.

So... I think I'll keep using olive oil! Though I will be sure to not use it if I need to cook something with heat over ~400F or so.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crzytptman wrote:
Don't eat anything that comes ... through a window


You mean like a brick with a note wrapped around it?

No seriously, it seems worth a mention here that a healthy person under the age of 25 will lose weight in a ratio of 60% muscle, and 40% fat. Weight gain typically has the same ratio, so we go essentially nowhere! Obviously us geezers well older than that may not have the hormonal balance to do even that well, but we'd all do better to keep the muscle and just lose fat, even if actual pounds lost are drastically less.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crzytptman wrote:
Fred, regardless of your short term results, it's not a numbers game in that way. You may think you are healthier because you dropped some pounds, but you're killing yourself with that stuff you put in your mouth. Check out the links I posted. Don't eat anything that comes in a package, plastic container, out of a microwave oven, through a window, or is advertised on tv.


Nate: Not to argue with you, but there are only so many parameters one can control. For me, I chose the optimal one...I figure I can deal with the other ones later. I was pointing out that by controlling that single variable one can at least attack one problem, weight.
This can help manage:
1) Reduce diabetes
2) Back pain
3) Other Musculoskeletal complaints
Among other problems.
If one can work with other parameters such as natural, etc. Fine, so be it. Better to go half way than no way.
It's and approach to a goal.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eggs: Are they good or bad for my cholesterol?
Are chicken eggs good or bad for my cholesterol?

Answer
from Thomas Behrenbeck, M.D., Ph.D.

Chicken eggs are high in cholesterol, and a diet high in cholesterol can contribute to high blood cholesterol levels. However, how much the cholesterol in your diet can increase your blood cholesterol varies from person to person. Although eating too many eggs can increase your cholesterol, eating four egg yolks or fewer on a weekly basis hasn't been found to increase your risk of heart disease.

When deciding whether to include eggs in your diet, consider the recommended daily limits on cholesterol in your food:

If you are healthy, it's recommended that you limit your dietary cholesterol to less than 300 milligrams (mg) a day.
If you have cardiovascular disease, diabetes or a high low-density lipoprotein (LDL, or "bad") blood cholesterol level, you should limit your dietary cholesterol to less than 200 mg a day.
One large egg has about 186 mg of cholesterol — all of which is found in the yolk. Therefore, if you eat an egg on a given day, it's important to limit other sources of cholesterol for the rest of that day. Consider substituting servings of vegetables for servings of meat, or avoid high-fat dairy products for that day.

If you like eggs but don't want the extra cholesterol, use only the egg whites. Egg whites contain no cholesterol. You may also use cholesterol-free egg substitutes, which are made with egg whites.


16 whole eggs per week (exclusive of butter) = 425 mg of cholesterol per day.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ohiotpt wrote:
I was pointing out that by controlling that single variable one can at least attack one problem, weight.


And congrats to you! Even just that much, is way more than lots of folks manage to accomplish. If you can adjust to staying within a specific calorie range first, you can then learn to manage where those calories come from later.

Since I love truth, I will now blow your mind a bit:

a 1,000 calorie per day deficit, will before long shock the body into hibernation mode; fat loss will become impossible, metabolism will slow, and all sorts of nasty things will happen. (If commies invade and/or the dollar collapses I'm blaming YOU! )

Along these lines, a very effective approach is something (that ONLY works combined with strenuous exercise) termed the anabolic diet: for fat loss, do 2 days of 1,000 calorie deficit, followed by 1 day of 1,000 calorie surplus. This is ROUGH! You could do a 3 days / 1 day cycle, which would be a lot easier.

At any rate you don't want to stay on the same plan for too long ...
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ohiotpt wrote:

I'll leave it to others to discuss what that 1600 calories SHOULD consist of, but for me I know that a Dunkin Donuts Jelly filled are only 210 calories...so if I want..i can have 7 of those babies in a day, and still stay on diet.


That's music to my ears! I love those white powdered jelly filled Dunkin Donuts! lol
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