Question for Buglers

Bugler90 · Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:50 pm Post subject:

Hello:
Hopefully this will help. From AR 600–253–1.

Reveille and retreat
a. Time. Installation commanders will set the time of sounding reveille and retreat.
b. Reveille. At every installation garrisoned by soldiers other than caretaking detachments, the flag will be hoisted at
the sound of the first note of reveille. (See app C for courtesies to be rendered by individuals.)
c. Retreat. At the last note of retreat, a gun will be fired (if available) on military installations, followed by the
playing of the national anthem or sound of “To The Color” (using a drum and bugle corps, a bugler, or recorded
music) concurrent with the lowering of the flag. The flag will be lowered to ensure completion at the last note of the
music. The same respect will be observed by all military personnel whether the national anthem is played or "To the
Color" is sounded. (See app C for courtesies to be rendered by individuals.)

http://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/pdf/r600_25.pdf
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kehaulani · Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:41 pm Post subject:

If one is lowering an old flag and raising a new one, it seems to me that the high point of the ceremony is the raising of the new flag and that's where the focus of the ceremony would be. Wouldn't that make sense? Therefore, that would be the place where the "National Anthem" (substituted by "To the Colors") should have the most impact.

Playing "To the Colors" at the lowering of the old flag at the beginning of the ceremony, while also appropriate, would be completely redundant and would make the second playing of "To the Colors" anti-climactic. So - like I suggested:

- Play "Retreat".
- Call the participants to attention, render salutes, and while holding the salutes, lower the flag silently.
- - lower salute but remain at attention as the old flag is folded.
- Replace the old with the new flag, order salute once again.
- Raise the new flag to "To the Colors".

The reg above still doesn't really solve the original problem, IMO. Sometimes simple common sense has to prevail.

OP - any comments? This is your baby.
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dmb · Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:42 pm Post subject:

garrett901 · Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:22 pm Post subject:

Dale Proctor · Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:52 am Post subject:

oldenick · Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:46 am Post subject:

One thing to remember is that this ceremony is taking place at an Elks Lodge not a military base. The Army regs can be used as a guideline and do not need to be followed to the letter. (When I was in an Army band we often bent the regs a little to suit unique situations)

I would have played TAPS to honor those who served and are serving as the old flag was lowered and To the Colors as the new flag was raised.

Keep it simple and end on a high note, always a good plan.

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Scooter Pirtle · Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:07 am Post subject:

Hey Jeff:

A coronet is a coronet:

A cornet is a cornet:

An a Jeff is...well, just special:

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garrett901 · Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:43 pm Post subject:

Yea, yea, yea.... I sometimes I hate auto spell-check.

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