7C diameter pieces?

jadickson · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:56 pm Post subject: 7C diameter pieces?

This summer, I have realized the need to downsize to the Bach 7C diameter, and I am not very familiar with what good / popular mouthpieces are out there with this diameter. What do you like?

I know this is very vague, I just want to see what kind of responses I get.

loweredsixth · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:12 pm Post subject:

CG Personal is great if you can deal with a high alpha angle. Bach 7C is also very good if the rim doesn't bother you.
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jadickson · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:23 pm Post subject:

Sure I have a new Bach 7c, that's how I derermined the diameter I need to downsize to. I don't hate the rim as much as I thought I would.

loweredsixth · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:33 pm Post subject:

I highly recommend the Austin Custom Brass mouthpieces. Trent offers some superb designs with a wide range of blanks and other custom options!
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Brent · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:06 pm Post subject: mpc

I believe the Stork Vachianno 5C is roughly the same as a Bach 7C.

Also: the new Bach Artisan comes in a 7C size, and they have them in stock at Mouthpieceexpress

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B. Scriver · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:07 pm Post subject:

GR 64ES, 64SZ, 64Z*, 64Z**, 64S, 64MS, 64M, 64MX. Also check out the "Goz"!

The "Goz" - Conrad Gozzo (Description by Gary Radtke)

This is a very unique mouthpiece. Story has it that it was a modified 7C by Bert Herrick. I have seen 2 very old Bert Herrick mpcs that were suppose to be just like Conrad Gozzo's. They had similarities but were not 100% the same. If this was a modified old 7C, it was shortened and the rim was cut off. The Rim is wide and I would say cushioned, with a sharp bite, although, the profile makes it feel like a larger mouthpiece.

The cup is moderate, close to the volume of a GR M cup, the alpha angle is higher than the standard M cup, although, similar to the GR 64.7M.

The big key is the throat exponent makes this a very open mouthpiec and probably better suited to a trumpet with characteristics to those of the 40's, 50's, and 60's. You may have trouble with a really open horn. The uses are this piece are vast; good on the smaller horns like Eb and even some love it on piccolo (rim is close to a "W" in width). This mouthpiece has a big fat sound for the right match player and horn.

GR 64 Series: http://grmouthpieces.com/64.htm
GR Goz: http://grmouthpieces.com/vintage.htm

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jawisenb · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:07 pm Post subject:

Austin custom brass all the way. Trent makes a 7c and if you want something special Trent can direct you to what you want or need. When i was playing a 1 1/4c I had so many issues then i gave Trent a ring and told him what I wanted my sound to be like and he sent me his 3c with a 25 throat. More comfort and I didn't have to sacrifice my sound.
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ALaschiver · Heavyweight Member Joined: 26 Feb 2005 Posts: 516

I was fortunite to have Bert Herrick make two pieces for me in the 60's.
I recently played one of Goz's pieces..He had many. This one was closer to a 10 1/2 c. He played them on a .468 Besson. Truly an unforgetable sound.

Felix c · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:07 pm Post subject:

Also give a try to the Curry 8.5 series. 8.5 C and DE are one of my favorites. Curry 600 series in the 64 mm measures are right option. Also try Warburton 6 series.
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Existentialist · Veteran Member Joined: 14 Jan 2007 Posts: 147

I received a Greg Black 7C in the mail yesterday. It has a very comfy rim and the sound is to die for.
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kehaulani · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:12 pm Post subject:

Schilke 11 is comparable to a Bach 7C.

I never got along with 7Cs because of the rims but the Schilkes were much more comfortable. That's what I'm playing now.

When I was in school, my teacher, who had studied with Chikowitz at Northwestern, recommended Schikle 11s (actually Model Hs at that time), and most of his beginner/intermediate students played them.
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DaveH · Heavyweight Member Joined: 20 Nov 2001 Posts: 3587

Lots of people complain about the Bach 7C rim, but I have been playing a 7C for a little while and don't have any problem with the rim. In fact, I think that particular rim helps me with accuracy and focus, and a little better control. I seem to feel a little more "secure" on that rim than my 3C.

I have traveled, so to speak, all the way from a 1 1/4C to the 7C. Although that journey has taken place over a period of many years, I think the 7C is the best mouthpiece for me at this time. Used a 3C for a while as well.

It seems to have been a generally wise move, because I don't play enough anymore to be able to properly control a big mouthpiece like the 1 1/4C, and the 7C seems to be more forgiving of that. The 3C is a very nice mouthpiece, but I don't feel as secure on that rim because I don't think it is as sharp or precise, and I prefer a more precise rim.

I think if you are OK with the rim, the 7C is a very good all around mouthpiece.

Comeback · Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:34 am Post subject: Re: 7C diameter pieces?

jadickson · Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:16 pm Post subject:

I picked up a Curry 50C and it's working well so far. Same cup as the 3C. but with the ID of a 7C. I'm not crazy about the rim but I could get used to it, I'm sure. I really love the sound.

Maybe some day I will get Mark to customize a 3C. reduced by x% so it has the 7C diameter. That's a lot of $$ though.

GR 64m sounds interesting.

stanton · Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:30 am Post subject:

Not sure why you are downsizing to "7C". Is it solely because of size, or does the shape of the 7C come into play as well?

If you like the feel of the 7C rim, what you might try is a Kanstul MV 7C top and test out a few screw-in backbores. Though is has been a common practice to open the throats of mouthpieces, I find that the screw-in backbores or mouthpieces where a more open throat is designed in takes out a lot of the guess work of hand reaming.

If you like the general SIZE of the 7C but are not dead set on exactly that rim, I have round the Schilke Symphonic M3 to be in the ballpark, but the M3 design has a 24 throat and Schmitt backbore built in. Though I like the feel of the MV 7C's that I have in my collection, I find the M3 rim a good match for me in terms of response and support.

Good luck,
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