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supportlivejazz
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 Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:36 pm Post subject: Conn 28B Connstellation ... seemed reasonable. |
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170858908149&ssPageName=ADME:L:COSI:US:1123
Anyone play this model regularly?
Reviews? Curious because I am not a big fan (for me) of the 38B.
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supportlivejazz
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Not yet... just ended.
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supportlivejazz
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Nice horn.... 
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M0ses
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't they usually go for significantly more than that? |
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razeontherock
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| supportlivejazz wrote: | | Nice horn.... |
So wait - you got it basically as soon as he relisted it? We need a review. What range of mouthpieces have you tried with it? How tonally responsive is it to that type of thing? |
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supportlivejazz
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| razeontherock wrote: | | supportlivejazz wrote: | | Nice horn.... |
So wait - you got it basically as soon as he relisted it? We need a review. What range of mouthpieces have you tried with it? How tonally responsive is it to that type of thing? |
I do not know if it was re-listed. I think it went the distance and no-one bid. The serial number is un-readable and I did not know it until I saw a thread on another site. Apparently others thought it might be hot. As soon as I saw the thread I contacted the seller. The long and short of it is he could and would document the history of the horn since the 50s. He said he never thought about serial numbers because when he bought it used in the 50s he was a high school kid and his kids played it too and it had always remained in the family. I'm comfortable with him and the circumstances. Will it limit resale ... perhaps.
Meanwhile, it is in very nice shape and plays very well. The valve pistons are amazingly un-worn and fast. The dents to the bell are minor and all on the throat, not on the rear bend or flare.
I've played it with a Bach Corp. 3, a Heim 2 and a Holton Heim 2 and it is nice and fat and dark unless pushed. I've not spent a lot of time with my Schilke Cohen* which is a bit shallower or my Bach Corp. 3C. But as a small group jazz horn, I am very pleased with it.
I am not a fan of the 38B... both the way they play and the way they are finished. That's just me. I much prefer this model. I've owned one 28B a few years ago. It was in rough shape and I flipped it and did not play it much.
If I end up keeping this one, it won't be a surprise. Trouble is I've gotten used to selling a horn when I decide to hang onto a recent acquisition. But I really like the horns I own now. Not sure what I'll do.
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kehaulani
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The serial number was unreadable while it was in the seller's possession, right? Now that you have it, can you read the SN and do you know what the make year is?
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supportlivejazz
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| kehaulani wrote: | | The serial number was unreadable while it was in the seller's possession, right? Now that you have it, can you read the SN and do you know what the make year is? |
I've tried to get an idea of what it is but the numbers are barely visible and I really can not make them out. I believe that the info in the ad may be accurate based on his story and recollection... and the information provided by his kids and his friend who all played the horn at different times.
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kehaulani
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That's really interesting. That far back, I would assume that the finish is original (unless, of course, you're really getting scammed) and, if it is the original finish, I would assume that the SN would be easily readable. Otherwise, if it's not re-plated and the SN was filed off, certainly the filing would show. Hmm. Interesting.
Have you had enough time to compare its playing characteristics a little more specifically with 38Bs yet?
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supportlivejazz
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No file marks... if the finish isn't original, it certainly is of the period, very nicely darkened, not epoxy. Who knows? The horn may have been re-lacquered in the later 50s just before he bought it used from the music store. It may have been done to make a used horn look new for the local high school buyers and their parents.
I think this model is a darker sounding horn than the 38B. More of small group horn than big band or lead/bright. I don't hve a 38B to compare it with at this time. I also tend toward deeper V shaped mps. That has a major effect too.
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Conn always puts the serial number on the each of the valves as well as the second valve casing. This Connstellation should be top sprung but the serial number should be near the springs. It is unlikely all the numbers were removed,or missing.
It would be interesting to finally get a date of build on this horn.
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supportlivejazz
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| harleyt26 wrote: | Conn always puts the serial number on the each of the valves as well as the second valve casing. This Connstellation should be top sprung but the serial number should be near the springs. It is unlikely all the numbers were removed,or missing.
It would be interesting to finally get a date of build on this horn.
Tom Hodges |
Well Tom, I thought that I'd be able to find the serial number there too. Nope. None of the valves have a number. Zip.
The valves are the right top sprung with the two vertical rods as guides. I believe that is the correct configuration. I will give the area on the middle valve casing another look under a magnifying glass in the sun light tomorrow. I've been looking in the area toward the bottom of the casing where the lacquer is worn. What I am seeing is so faint that I'm not sure I am actually seeing numerals. I do see the faint imprint of the word "patented" or at least the first few letters.
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And so, after days of adjusting proper lighting and borrowing a medical magnifying glass, he finally focuses in on the tiny engraved printing . . . "Made in Japan".
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supportlivejazz
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| kehaulani wrote: | | And so, after days of adjusting proper lighting and borrowing a medical magnifying glass, he finally focuses in on the tiny engraved printing . . . "Made in Japan". |
I hope you're attempting to be humorous. These horns did have "patented" stamped toward the bottom of the casing. The number was above that in the middle.
This has the 5" bell and the bell brace is in front of the tuning slide brace so it is post 1952... and "patented and exclusive top spring Clickless Crysteel valves are lightning fast, quiet, positive".
Looks just like this one... http://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/Conn28B1950image.html
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JonathanM
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| kehaulani wrote: | | And so, after days of adjusting proper lighting and borrowing a medical magnifying glass, he finally focuses in on the tiny engraved printing . . . "Made in Japan". |
I know it's an older thread and comment but this really cracks me up. Hilarious, actually. I've been looking into the 28B the last few days, keep running across this and just enjoyed it immensely.
So nice to find a bit of humor here at TH! Well done. 
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I believe the case is from the 60s, maybe he bought a new case for it.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:49 pm Post subject: 1950-1955 |
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The 28B was only made from 1950-1955. It has little or nothing in common with the 38B other than the Connstellation name.
28B is a ML bore, around .458 with, strangely, a .480 bore first slide. It's a lightweight horn compared to the 38B. Ii have a 1955 overhauled by Charlie Memo and it's a great, very versatile horn. The 38B is a .438 bore with heavier gauge tubes and bell. Finally, the 28B is lacquered brass while the 38B is nickel plated except for the slides.
I have a 36B as my primary lead horn and the 28B as my all around horn.[/i]
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That's not the original fjinish - the 28B had a lacquered brass bell, body and slides.[/i]
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I read these posts regarding serial-numbers and build-dates with amusement.
Is there some "horn anthropology" science that has come about?
My attitude, is that it does not matter if a horn was built yesterday or a century ago. If it is a good horn, and it plays wonderfully ... what difference does it make?
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