Teaching MSC at a music store

elgin · Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:56 am Post subject: Teaching MSC at a music store

Your ideas on this would be greatly appreciated.

What is the best way to incorporate MSC into private instruction at a music store? A friend of mine has a music store and I’m thinking about doing some teaching there. I taught years ago before this amazing discovery of MSC, but I’m not sure of the best approach for a situation like this. Of course, most of my students would be beginners or intermediate in JHS and HS. As for musicality and the basics of posture, breathing, practice habits, reading, rhythms, etc, etc., there is little controversy. I can do that – no problem.

Having been on MSC for about 2 years now (sounds like an addition

) , I have a good grasp of the concepts and have made enough progress to convince myself that it is worth sharing… and teaching if I can do it in an organized structured way.

If any of you have any experience with teaching MSC in a store situation like this, please give me your thoughts.

Thanks!
Elgin
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drewwilkie86 · Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:34 pm Post subject:

Personally, I wouldn't dare teach Superchops to a beginner. I feel this system requires far too much attention to detail with regard to technique (especially when first starting out), and trying to teach it to a new player would be a quick way to crash and burn.

I'd teach the student to master anchor tonguing (ala Claude Gordon), because it is MUCH more accessible to a young kid and/or beginner. Anchor tonguing is just a slight tongue adjustment away from Superchops anyway. Learning Superchops is rather simple once anchor tonguing is second nature.
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tptguy · Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:25 am Post subject:

There is a video from late '80s that shows Jerry teaching MSC to numerous beginners. It's eye opening to see how much more quickly youngsters get the MSC principles than us older heads that have spent many, many hours ingraining other habits. The video is also great because it shows Jerry in his prime taking etudes up 1 and 2 octaves with incredible ease. The video has been out of production for years so it will be difficult to track down a copy, but for educators I think it's worth the search.

I, like a great many others, fell upon a large portion of MSC by accident as a kid but was changed out of it in college, to my great detriment. A long time student of Jerry's, an elementary music educator in CT, has been very successfully teaching MSC to beginners for several decades. The secret, if there is one, is to coax the players in the right direction then let them fall into it naturally. Reaching a high level of success with this crazy instrument is rarely easy, but Elgin, the earlier MSC is taught the fewer alternative habits to break down the road.

Very best wishes with your teaching, Kyle

horndawg69 · Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:17 pm Post subject:

I and many others I assume, would love to see this video. Do you have a copy Kyle? I would think it would be a good thing to post on here if you do! If not, what was it called so we can go search it out?

elgin · Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:11 pm Post subject:

Ditto horndawg69
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crzytptman · Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:06 pm Post subject:

I would respectfully accept being corrected as wrong here. Although I don't have the video I do have other materials from the same time period, and they are all about Superchops, which seems to be different from the current Master Super Chops.
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tptguy · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:32 am Post subject:

If I recall correctly, there were 2 videos: SC1 and SC2. I think SC1 contained the lessons with kids, but I may be wrong. I may even have the names wrong. The videos were offered in VHS and Beta so that shows you now long ago it was. - Kyle

terrys17 · Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:43 am Post subject:

I have one of the videos (no idea where though) which had a mix of younger and older payers taking lessons with Jerry. It also featured Nipper Murphy who played on the video and died before it was released. I just found his obit from 1987. That was when Jerry was selling the new york model trumpets.

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trptStudent · Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:16 pm Post subject:

I think I have the second video as I don't remember it having young students on it, but I could be remembering wrong as it's been years since I've watched it. The control that Jerry had playing Clark's stuff up two octaves was phenomenal. He made it look like he was barely breathing into the horn. I also recall a rather beautiful playing of the solo from An American in Paris on it although I can't remember who played it.
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elgin · Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:17 am Post subject:

terrys17 · Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:05 am Post subject:

We moved recently so it will take some time to find it. Haven't watched it in years