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EWerner
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:57 am    Post subject: Practicing With a Practice Mute Reply with quote

There are times at my house where the family asks that I use my practice mute and I can understand why they ask. But other than playing scales, lip flexibility and long tones using a practice mute really sucks because it changes the air flow quite a bit.

Are all practice mutes the same? Mine is a Denis Wick .

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some are better, some are worse, but all significantly change the feel and dynamics of the horn. I tend to only use mine for midrange tone studies and the like. There is a nice comparison article on The Schilke Loyalist's Gearhead website.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the above about practice mutes.

They will change the response of the horn. They also do not allow you to hear yourself as you do with a open horn, which, IMO, is a big draw back to practicing with any kind of mute.

I fear that after using a mute for a long enough period of time, some amount of compensatory and negative playing behaviors and habits may develop due to the effect of the mute.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Practicing With a Practice Mute Reply with quote

EWerner wrote:
There are times at my house where the family asks that I use my practice mute and I can understand why they ask. But other than playing scales, lip flexibility and long tones using a practice mute really sucks because it changes the air flow quite a bit.

Are all practice mutes the same? Mine is a Denis Wick .

Thanks

I have a FAXX that is wonderfully compact, but a little loud compared to my preferred practice mute; a SH! SH! QUIET MANNIE KLEIN PRACTICE MUTE by H&B. Its been a long time since I've used any mutes other than these two practice mutes, but I believe I remember all mutes significantly changing the playing experience. Certainly I'd rather play unmuted, but for me, using them beats not playing at all. When I have to use them, I practice normally with no ill effect that I have been able to discern.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I am once again taking the practice mute plunge. We moved to a condo and I need one for my range studies. Most of the time, I practice very softly and wouldn't need one; however, with range studies I will have to use one now.

I owned a Shastock "Whispa" Mute several years ago and really liked it. I am ordering a Trumcor Lyric Stealth Practice Mute based on the mute study cited above.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would not use a practice mute for range development. Learning to be a great player using a practice mute may not translate to playing well open. I would find times that work or another place to practice.

Do you have a walk in closet? if not, just playing into a closet filled with clothes might work.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mainly use a manny klein shhh shhh mute because i like the "cuppy" tone. My wife in the bedroom prefers the faxx mute and claims it is quieter than the stonelined one. I don't like the tinny straight mute sound as much.

I think the best brass is quieter than both.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never tried a "practice" mute. But I do own a Yamaha Silent Brass and I love it. You should look into them.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don Herman rev2 wrote:
I would not use a practice mute for range development. Learning to be a great player using a practice mute may not translate to playing well open. I would find times that work or another place to practice.

Do you have a walk in closet? if not, just playing into a closet filled with clothes might work.


I have used a practice mute for many of my 42 years of embouchure development and I can play a pedal C to a double C and play in the high register loud, crisp and in tune. Practicing with a mute (just like any kind of practice) demands that one be in tune with ones body and know when to back-off etc. I have found that using the back pressure from the practice mute (again, listening to my chops and body) has ONLY strengthened my chops.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yamaha Silent Brass is wonderful when the kiddies are sleeping...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don Herman rev2 wrote:
I would not use a practice mute for range development. Learning to be a great player using a practice mute may not translate to playing well open. I would find times that work or another place to practice.

Do you have a walk in closet? if not, just playing into a closet filled with clothes might work.


I do try to find times to practice when the house is empty or when the family is not disturbed by the playing. My son's down stairs bedroom is insulated so I have gone down there to play but just have to drag my music and stand with me. I am able to go home from work during lunch and play but that gives me only about a half hour with the horn.

I will look into the Yamaha Silent Brass as I have never heard of it. Does it have the same type of issue altering the airflow of the horn or is better than you stand pratice mute?

I find with the back pressure of the mute that high range is slightly easier but I typically stick with the lip flexibility studies and mid range etudes when playing with the practice mute.

Thanks everyone for the responses.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For anyone having trouble understanding/iterpreting the often profered advice to 'open the throat & relax', the Wick can be useful if you follow the instruction leaflet. That is:- a 15 minute session of pushing the air into it so strongly that it starts to rattle will, in a few weeks yield results.

I tried this & it worked for me, & I continue to use it for loud long tone practice. Don't like using the mute for extended playing though. A Harmon with the tube out is just as quiet.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding the Wick practice mute...Try closing one of the holes. I found that the mute works much better that way. I ended up sealing one of the holes with epoxy.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A practice mute when necessary is better than no practice, and the quietest mute in my experience is the Bremner Shhhh! mute.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irving wrote:
Regarding the Wick practice mute...Try closing one of the holes. I found that the mute works much better that way. I ended up sealing one of the holes with epoxy.


Interesting I will have to give that a try as it sounds like an easy solution and cheaper than a Yamaha Silent Brass system. I have a Harmon mute also and have thought about that also.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jhatpro wrote:
A practice mute when necessary is better than no practice, and the quietest mute in my experience is the Bremner Shhhh! mute.


Just ordered one from Austin Custom Brass last night.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll like it. Sturdy plastic, very slim profile, and quiet.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a Bremner also, but the best I've tried is the Best Brass Jr. Very quiet with very little resistance.

http://thompsonmusic.com/store/product6077.html

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I own the Yamaha Silent Brass, the Shastock "Whispa", the Denis Wick practice mute as well as the Softone Mute (neoprene). I have tried the Bremner, the Brass Spa, the Best Brass and others that I can't think of right now. My new favorite mute?

The Wallace "Studio Practice Mute". This one has it all - an easy blow, even pitch up and down, lack of stuffiness, a nice soft buzz for response and ability to play both "loud" and soft. The closest thing that it sounds like is a very soft harmon mute. I finally feel like I can actually practice as if I were playing without a mute.

Runner-up to this is the Softone. The neoprene helps dampen the overall volume but doesn't block much air (if at all!) It's slightly louder so it might be heard in the next room, but soft enough for apartment practice. FWIW, the Wallace "Compact Practice Mute" is not nearly as good as the Studio Mute. Hope that helps!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I practice very light, will not need one, however, the use of the scope of the study, I will have to use a.
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