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trumpet_guy.david
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 Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:31 pm Post subject: OMG YES |
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I had the same problem. I made the allstate band here in Tennessee and we played a piece that required fluttering. I had been in contact with my current professor here at the U. Of Memphis. And we have been working one using less pressure.
I kinda restructured that to the tongue. This has worked for me, so take it or leave it. It got easier when I got my monette mouthpieces too.
The flutter comes really from the front of the tongue flapping on the ridge in your mouth a little behind where the teeth meets the gums. I focused on really relaxing the front half of my tongue and letting the air do the work. If you try muscle e tongue doing it you'll get a harsh, uneven sound. Really try relaxing the tongue. I actually started with that nasty harsh sound and used it as a tool to soften it up.
But like someone said earlier, listen to people who do it well and get creative while trying to find a way for you to do it.
Thanks for reading!
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razeontherock
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Branson wrote: | | What gives the flutter is the uvula flapping back and forth as it flutters against the tongue. |
You flutter tongue differently than I do. Now if you want to talk about a growl? Maybe my uvula's involved with that ... |
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razeontherock
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| SkaDoobzz wrote: | I can't flutter tongue either, but lately I've just been trying to figure out how to roll my R's, and I'm at the point now where I can get it to flutter for a few seconds. I'm not sure if I'll end up being able to flutter tongue, but it's a pretty good start  |
You don't really need to flutter tongue for more than a few seconds anyway. Now you're ready to do it through the horn! |
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chinesebill
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: Flutter Tongue Challenged |
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| pmadsen wrote: | Hi all,
Does anyone have any advice on flutter tonguing for someone that cannot roll their "r's"? I currently try for a growl sound when appropriate. Thanks in advance.
Pete Madsen |
Pete, I have an admission to make. I have a defective tong!. I also cannot flutter tong, nor roll my r's and.. and... I cant whistle. It is most humiliating. I will be reading the advise here to see if there is any hope for me...
Good Luck,
Bill
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RandyTX
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: Flutter Tongue Challenged |
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| chinesebill wrote: | | I have a defective tong!. I also cannot flutter tong, nor roll my r's and.. and... I cant whistle. It is most humiliating. I will be reading the advise here to see if there is any hope for me... |
Try using tongs on your food, and your tongue on the trumpet. Hope that helps... |
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LowerSlower
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| Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:48 pm Post subject: Fortissimo? |
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I can flutter tongue, but only at extremely loud volumes.
This works for plunger solos, but is impractical for general use.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
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razeontherock
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| LFRoberts5 wrote: | | Try using the back of the tongue (throat). Almost like like clearing your throat... |
That's a growl, which I find works better for plunger solos anyway. Get the flutter going too loud, then learn to back off. |
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percivalthehappyboy
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| razeontherock wrote: | | LFRoberts5 wrote: | | Try using the back of the tongue (throat). Almost like like clearing your throat... |
That's a growl, which I find works better for plunger solos anyway. Get the flutter going too loud, then learn to back off. |
A growl is a vocalization, isn't it?
Using the back would be fluttering like a German rather than a Frenchman. (Although I honestly doubt that Germans usually play trompeten that way...) |
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roynj
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:04 am Post subject: Re: Flutter Tongue Challenged |
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| pmadsen wrote: | Hi all,
Does anyone have any advice on flutter tonguing for someone that cannot roll their "r's"? I currently try for a growl sound when appropriate. Thanks in advance.
Pete Madsen |
Flutter tonguing is usually done with the tongue and airstream (not the back of the throat as some have suggested, which would be more for a growl effect and not really flutter tonguing). While blowing, try moving the location of the tip of your tongue, placed against the top of the mouth, (just behind front teeth) and slowly move it back. It will take some experimentation. There is a point (and everyone is different) at which it will flutter more readily. Also use a good strong air flow, which will help to keep the flutter moving. If you just cannot find the sweet spot to enable flutter tonguing, then you may have a physical impairment as suggested by Dave Hickman. |
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Cornetist SPSMB
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:09 am Post subject: |
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Put your tongue on the top of your mouth and force the air through your tongue.
Hope this helps  |
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