Olds L-12 and Clark Terry Flugel comparison???

supportlivejazz · Heavyweight Member Joined: 05 Jan 2003 Posts: 3461

I did a search and found a couple of threads where the poster asked what the differences are. However, there was no specific answer posted. Anyone?? How does each differ in design, construction and playing characteristics? Thanks.
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ChopsGone · Heavyweight Member Joined: 20 Dec 2008 Posts: 1379

High-level design differences aren't great - both are .437" bore, both have red brass bells and baked epoxy lacquer, both weigh in at 38.5 oz. - but the L-12 has a 5-3/4" bell and the Clark Terry has 6-1/2". I don't know if there were any differences in the leadpipe or elsewhere; unfortunately I've never owned a Clark Terry model so I've been unable to compare them side-by-side (love my L-12, though).
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Scott42486 · Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:41 am Post subject:

I used to own an L-12, solid horn. You really ought to look into the Melk or GR leadpipe for it though. I never coughed up for one but I'm told that if I had I likely wouldn't have parted with the horn.

The main difference between the two horns is the bell. The CT bell has a bigger flare to it as well, not just the rim. If I recall correctly, the leadpipe is the same.
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ChopsGone · Heavyweight Member Joined: 20 Dec 2008 Posts: 1379

You might try to find a friend who has the GR/Melk pipe in an L-12 so you can try before you buy. It does help, but the difference is a lot more subtle than when you put one of those pipes in something that needs a lot more help, such as a vintage Couesnon. I have a GR/Melk pipe in a very old Boosey flugelhorn, and it worked wonders. I also have one for an L-12, and the difference just isn't all that dramatic. Yes, it is definitely better than stock, but for the same money, a better mouthpiece might be a more satisfying choice.
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Dale Proctor · Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 5:50 pm Post subject:

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razeontherock · Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:47 pm Post subject:

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terry horace · Regular Member Joined: 12 Aug 2011 Posts: 72

I was under the impression that the Clark Terry model Olds Flugelhorn had an odd-sized receiver - or that it was designed to accept a flugelhorn piece with an odd-sized shank. Is this true? Is it true on both models?

Dale Proctor · Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:47 am Post subject:

My Olds L-12 takes a small Morse taper (Bach taper) flugel mouthpiece. The Melk leadpipe seems to be halfway between a small and large Morse taper, so that either will work ok in them.
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scipioap · Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:21 am Post subject:

I've actually been playing a Reynolds Emperor flugel, Model FU-52, while waiting for my Olds Clark Terry to return from a Kanstul overhaul. I've read on this forum that the Reynolds is a twin to the Olds L-12, except for its yellow brass bell. To my amateur ears, I can't hear or feel much of a difference. I do prefer the larger diameter bell and the bow guard on the CT -- I think a feature that improves any flugel -- the French makes & WT come to mind.

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laurie · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 3:29 am Post subject:

Dale..Its interesting that you use a Bach taper in your L12. Ive never been able to get a Bach taper to work for me. I use a Curry with a standard (Yamaha?) taper in my L12. I just never could get it to play in tune with anything else. To each his own huh?
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Dale Proctor · Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:50 am Post subject:

I suppose so... I have one large Morse taper flugel mouthpiece, and it only goes into the stock L-12 leadpipe about 1/4". Maybe Olds used different leadpipes over the years?
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