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StupidBrassObsession
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:50 pm    Post subject: Getting accurate sound feedback Reply with quote

So one thing that seems vitally important to me since i've been recording my playing and hearing things back from the other side of the bell, is that you want to be getting an accurate idea of what is coming out the other end of the bell while you're practicing.

The question is how does one do that?

Scott Englebright says "play standing infront of a wall" for this reason, but it's just to darn loud for my ears... If I put in musician's ear plugs... it defeats the purpose as the bone transfer is louder than the external sound...

Any ideas?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

purchase a cheap digital recorder like a zoom H2 and play in a room with decent acoustics, record and listen and repeat till you like what you hear.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't play so loud.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Play in different size rooms, particularly some that have some hard surfaces in them. You will hear a lot of what you sound like in what gets reflected back to you, particularly if you move around. The trouble with recording yourself is you will sound different depending on the device you use and what you use to play it back (ie. quality of headphones and speakers and quality of the microphone). The sound I hear on my H2 zoom is useful but not the same as the live room sound and if I play it back on my computer, it is different again.

I often teach students in a large classroom and I can walk way out in front of them to gauge their sound. However, I can still assess the quality of their tone standing right next to them from the sound that is reflected back from the room.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RyanG wrote:
purchase a cheap digital recorder like a zoom H2 and play in a room with decent acoustics, record and listen and repeat till you like what you hear.


Take this a step further: record yourself playing with another trumpet player. Listen to the other trumpet player live from the front of the bell. Compare the live sound to the recorded sound. You'll be able to tell if the recorder captures the sound accurately, or if it accentuates certain frequencies. Compare your sound to the other player in the recording you make. Do this will different volumes, styles, ranges and articulations. That will help you judge your own recorded sound.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would suggest playing in front of a wall with some sort of fabric on it. When I play in a room with carpeted walls it takes out alot of the reverb so I can hear more nuances in the sound and can make sure it is absolutely consistent. It shouldn't be as loud this way either.

Something my teacher used to have me do is this:
1. Record an exercise or etude
2. Write down everything that stood out, either good or bad
3. Listen to recording

Some things you thought were good will need work, and others that sounded a little fuzzy might be fine. It will probably be a similar aspect of playing each time that you are not hearing, and then you can focus on hearing that specific problem while playing.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you hear yourself as bright and focused, bordering on nasal, then you are probably getting a great sound out front.
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