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Iceray
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:12 pm    Post subject: Pencil Exercise? Reply with quote

everyone had heard of the pencil exercise but is it an effective way for increasing endurance? bc i am trying to build endurance, since ive recently switched from a small mp to a 1.5C and although i pla ywell, i can't last long xD so does it work?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a great exercise for developing compression but do not over do it. Its very taxing. It was originally a part of Doc Reinhardts trio of daily calisthenics. What you do it put the eraser end of a pencil in your mouth and hold it in between your lips but do not support with your teeth. Keep a flat chin and anchored down corners. Once again dont over do it.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Relaxation and efficiency are much more important to playing larger mouthpieces than pure strength. Trying specifically to train your muscles in order to play a large mouthpiece will only make you think the lips have to work harder than they do, inhibiting your endurance even more.

Take big breaths, relax, and let your air do the work. Do some long tones or other really stuff in the mid to low register and try to make it as effortless as possible. Emphasize your soft playing as well, breath attacks can help.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Pencil Exercise? Reply with quote

Iceray wrote:
everyone had heard of the pencil exercise but is it an effective way for increasing endurance? bc i am trying to build endurance, since ive recently switched from a small mp to a 1.5C and although i pla ywell, i can't last long xD so does it work?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The pencil exercise is pure isometrics - it can build strength, but if overdone can leave you muscle bound.

I use it when I am stuck at my desk for too much of the day, but ... 15 minutes a day is as much as anybody needs. Free buzzing is a different kind of exercise, and better for your breath and face control than the pencil exercise, and should also not be overdone.

But actual playing the horn is the best way to practice.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Pencil Exercise? Reply with quote

Iceray wrote:
everyone had heard of the pencil exercise but is it an effective way for increasing endurance? bc i am trying to build endurance, since ive recently switched from a small mp to a 1.5C and although i pla ywell, i can't last long xD so does it work?


Yes, it works wonders, but only if you use the 'special' pencils that I discovered. I can't tell you the brand name or where I found them, but I have a generous supply and am willing to let them go for just 19.95 each, plus s/h.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The pencil exercise is a little controversial. Some say it works, some say its bad, some say use the time for practicing ( late at night when I am reading this is hard to do). Pops has a description of it (Trumpet College), I think Jeanne Pocius has a description of it in her book,Trumpeting by Nature. I used it ( and then Chopsticks) recovering from surgery. I know for a fact at least one well known player who used Chopsticks recovering from surgery. There recently was a thread here in the Reinhardt forum with an interesting take on it that is definitely worth a read.

Bottom Line --Embouchures are personal. What works or does not work for one person could have entirely different results for another. Be pragmatic. If it sounds interesting giive it a shot and if it works, do it. If it doesn't, quit
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to know the reason for switching from the "small" mouthpiece to a 1˝ C. That sounds like a drastic change that could be a completely unnecessary idea for many players.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:07 am    Post subject: Re: Pencil Exercise? Reply with quote

Iceray wrote:
everyone had heard of the pencil exercise but is it an effective way for increasing endurance? bc i am trying to build endurance,


I believe the mental approach to the pencil exercise is important. What we are trying to accomplish is to be able to allow for a small aperture opening, which does require some strength and control. However, we do not want to mash the lips together making it difficult for the aperture to naturally open with the airstream. It is a nuance which is why some people love the pencil exercise, while it is worthless to others.

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I've recently switched from a small mp to a 1.5C and although i pla ywell, i can't last long xD so does it work?


When changing mouthpieces, particularly upsizing it is important to maintain your correct mechanics. Though a "larger" mouthpiece may get you closer to the sound model you wish to project, a standard 1.5c mouthpiece may or may not be ideal for you.

I have come to believe that the sound you can achieve is quite independent of rim size. But rim size AND SHAPE are critical to achieving one's optimal embouchure. No two people have the same lip structure and so mechanics and equipment fine tuning can help make it easier so we can make music. Gary Radke talks about there being a relationship between the horn, mouthpiece and human. That is why he makes so many variations. CNC machining has shredded a one size fits many mentality.

If I may use myself as an example, I too seem to sound the best on a Mt Vernon 1.5c mouthpiece. But like you, I would fatigue early and resort to bad mechanics to get thru. I found that I was most comfortable on a Schilke Symphonic M3 rim, but the blow and sound of the mouthpiece wasn't quite right. I had Kanstul build me a custom mouthpiece with a M3 rim on top of a MV 1.5c underpart and voila... I have a piece that plays well and sounds nice too. My friends tell me they cannot hear the difference in sound between my custom and the MV 1.5c... but they can hear the difference in my articulation. And I feel the difference at the end of a performance when I still have some fuel left in the tank.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:01 am    Post subject: Feel the burn! Reply with quote

You'll find that you become accustomed to the burn and it doesn't bother you as much as it used to. Meaning, when you're 8 bars from the end of the chart and would have normally given up, you will be able to make it to the end regardless of fatigue.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:23 am    Post subject: Re: Pencil Exercise? Reply with quote

Iceray wrote:
everyone had heard of the pencil exercise but is it an effective way for increasing endurance? bc i am trying to build endurance, since ive recently switched from a small mp to a 1.5C and although i pla ywell, i can't last long xD so does it work?

I can't respond to this, because I don't understand it. I mean, I could take a few key words out and put something together that I could respond to, but I'm not sure that would even pertain to your situation.

However, I can respond to this:

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I believe the mental approach to the pencil exercise is important. What we are trying to accomplish is to be able to allow for a small aperture opening, which does require some strength and control. However, we do not want to mash the lips together making it difficult for the aperture to naturally open with the airstream. It is a nuance which is why some people love the pencil exercise, while it is worthless to others.

I completely agree. Reaching out with the lips to grab a section of pencil, and then holding the pencil straight out from the face is where the benefit is received. Not building strength to crush seeds in the center of the lips!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Pencil Exercise? Reply with quote

dmb wrote:
Iceray wrote:
everyone had heard of the pencil exercise but is it an effective way for increasing endurance? bc i am trying to build endurance, since ive recently switched from a small mp to a 1.5C and although i pla ywell, i can't last long xD so does it work?


Yes, it works wonders, but only if you use the 'special' pencils that I discovered. I can't tell you the brand name or where I found them, but I have a generous supply and am willing to let them go for just 19.95 each, plus s/h.


HAHAHA are you legitimately trying to get me to buy a PENCIL for 20 bucks? lolol i could but a PETE off ebay for that much, lol get a life. now if you were joking,then that was pretty funny.
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HAHAHA are you legitimately trying to get me to buy a PENCIL for 20 bucks? lolol i could but a PETE off ebay for that much, lol get a life. now if you were joking,then that was pretty funny.


Actually Iceray, it's no joke. I bought one of those pencils from Mr.Burton. I had every intention of using it but, when I got it, it was so beautiful, I just put it in a special holder on my mantle. I have taken a wonderful photo of it, but I don't want to post it online where every 'Tom, Dick, and Harry' can gawk at it. For $9.99 (with FREE s/h if you are in the CONUS) I will send you a stunning reprint of this picture in glossy finish.
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BeboppinFool wrote:
I'd like to know the reason for switching from the "small" mouthpiece to a 1˝ C. That sounds like a drastic change that could be a completely unnecessary idea for many players.

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