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MetricTrumpet
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:30 pm    Post subject: Book of Orchestral Excerpts Reply with quote

I want to play orchestral literature but since I'm not in an orchestra and auditions for the local one aren't until May, so I want to do the next best thing and get a book full of orchestral trumpet excerpts.

I'm interested in the works of Stravinsky, Mahler, Tchaikovsky, Strauss, Shostakovitch and some other famous excerpts like Pictures at an Exibition, Pines of Rome, Leonore Overture, Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra, Debussy's Fetes, and some others.

Does anyone know of a book(s) of excerpts that fits the bill? (Preferably 50 US dollars or less).
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.michaelsachs.com/
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael Sachs "The Orchestral Trumpet" seems interesting but I'm unsure if it is a guide to orchestral literature or if it is a collection of excerpts. Which is it?
Also the book states it covers 90 orchestral works: what are these 90 works?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have it, and it's quite good. It contains a CD with a BUNCH of recordings of him playing excerpts from the book. Each excerpt is prefaced by his own text on how to approach it, instrument selection, style issues, etc.

You get about 2-3x the number of playing examples on CD as in the Phil Smith recording where he talks through the excerpt on the CD, then plays. With this one, the "talking" is written down in the book with each excerpt, the CD is all performance.

The book is both a guide on how to perform them, as well as the excerpts themselves. Plus an introduction that is an interesting read as well.

In cases where it matters, the excerpts have 2 or 3 trumpet parts together so you can see how they interact with each other.

As for which works, it's the usual suspects. I'm not going to bother to type them all in, but it's unlikely you'll find any major omissions.

It's more complete than others I own or have seen elsewhere.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RandyTX wrote:
As for which works, it's the usual suspects. I'm not going to bother to type them all in, but it's unlikely you'll find any major omissions.

It's more complete than others I own or have seen elsewhere.


I'm only in high school and didn't become a fan of orchestral music until the last 2.5 years so I don't know what the "usual suspects" are. I'm not going to ask you type them all out, but does it at least have the excerpts I mentioned in my original post?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get the Michael Sachs book and CD set.

NOW.

Seriously. Just do it. $45 well spent. He could charge a lot more for this and it would still be worth it. Buy the book and get to work!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good book, Phil's CD is still the standard though!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HKeller wrote:
Good book, Phil's CD is still the standard though!
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Get em both! Good instruction and state of the art playing. Of course it's good to know the entire parts but, excerpts are a good place to start. Once you know 40-50 standards pick a piece to through the entire part.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Mike Sachs book is sooo much better than Phil Norris's Top 50 book. The only one that is more comprehensive is Hickman's set, but that is so much more expensive...
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

davidkoch wrote:
The Mike Sachs book is sooo much better than Phil Norris's Top 50 book. The only one that is more comprehensive is Hickman's set, but that is so much more expensive...
There's unique insight in all of the books. Why limit yourself?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rockford wrote:
davidkoch wrote:
The Mike Sachs book is sooo much better than Phil Norris's Top 50 book. The only one that is more comprehensive is Hickman's set, but that is so much more expensive...
There's unique insight in all of the books. Why limit yourself?


Very good point!
My Sachs book is on order, but I borrowed my teacher's for a few weeks...
There are others out there too that are also good. But if I only could bring one book, my choice would be the Sachs. Something else worth noting about his book. It has newer works in it.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I like best about the Sachs book in comparison to the Hickman books is, all the works are put into order and alphabetized by Composer. e.g. if I wanted to work on Mahler 3 and Mahler 7, I can use the one book as opposed to having to flip through the Hickman books and find them (they're in different volumes, I might add)

Haven't looked at the Hickman books in a awhile, but I thought the MS book had almost the same content?
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The Orchestral Musician's CD ROM series (available at Hickey's) is a great source. Full parts for major works, covering all parts. Also, another great source is IMSLP. It has downloadable PDF's of many works that are public domain, including full scores (which are important to study). International has published a series of Orchestral Excerpts edited by Voisin and Bartold. These are good, but there are some errors, so they can be used to learn the rep, but are not something that should be used for audition purposes. There's another book called Top 50 Orchestral Excerpts (don't remember the editor/compiler... maybe someone else will chime in who does). It includes notes on each excerpt such as equipment used, pointers on style, things to be aware of etc. It's really helpful and should be in every aspiring orchestral trumpeter's library. Finally, David Hickman has published an orchestral excerpt series as well, similar to the way International has done theirs, but without the errors and with some pieces that International did not include. There are more, including the previously mentioned Sachs (which if I was investing $ I would certainly buy).

Additionally, I would add to listen as much as possible, to as many different recordings as you can. Although they all play the same notes, there are vast differences in the way things are done- which I have always found a fascinating thing.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://imslp.org/wiki/Main_Page

The above site is where you will find all you need for free.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LakeTahoeTrpt wrote:
http://imslp.org/wiki/Main_Page

The above site is where you will find all you need for free.


Except it's not actually all there. Only the stuff old enough to be out of copyright. Believe it or not, that leaves out a lot of audition material.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hickman books are great (but expensive) as are the Orchestral Musicians CD-Roms. Don't know about the Sach's book yet, but I'm sure it is great and I look forward to getting it. I would also look into the Rob Roy McGregor books. There are only four and they don't have a ton of excerpts but they are very useful. I wish he would expand the set. The International editions are great, but most of them are out of print. The Phil Norris book is probably the best for the money, especially since you are just getting started, but eventually I'd recommend that you get them all. And get the Phil Smith Orchestral Excerpts CD!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peteb wrote:
Hickman books are great (but expensive) as are the Orchestral Musicians CD-Roms. Don't know about the Sach's book yet, but I'm sure it is great and I look forward to getting it. I would also look into the Rob Roy McGregor books. There are only four and they don't have a ton of excerpts but they are very useful. I wish he would expand the set. The International editions are great, but most of them are out of print. The Phil Norris book is probably the best for the money, especially since you are just getting started, but eventually I'd recommend that you get them all. And get the Phil Smith Orchestral Excerpts CD!
Be glad these resources are available. Just 30 years ago we had to check out parts from the library and, for those of us new to it all, a certain amount of guess work as to what pieces and what specific places were the required audition parts. Now it's all layed out so we can practice rather than run around trying to figure it all out.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP here: I'm going to get the Sachs's book. It comes with 90 excerpts plus tips on preparing them and a CD of Mr. Sachs wonderful trumpet playing as a reference for only 40 US dollars, I can't really get a better deal than that.

BTW, since Sachs's excerpt book seems to be so warmly received, I was wondering if his "Daily Fundamentals for the Trumpet" would also be a good buy. I know Mr. Sachs's playing is top notch, but I know little of his composing ability.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rockford wrote:
Be glad these resources are available. Just 30 years ago we had to check out parts from the library and, for those of us new to it all, a certain amount of guess work as to what pieces and what specific places were the required audition parts. Now it's all layed out so we can practice rather than run around trying to figure it all out.


Seems like yesterday, doesn't it? (And here I'm looking at my Brandt "orchestral excerpts" and left more than a bit dumbfounded as to where the actual excerpts are)
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peteb wrote:
I would also look into the Rob Roy McGregor books. There are only four and they don't have a ton of excerpts but they are very useful. I wish he would expand the set.


YES! The exercises to help you prepare and insight he provides are wonderful. WELL WORTH the investment.
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