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cc515
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 Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:15 pm Post subject: Interchangeable lead pipe systems/bells |
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| I was just wondering if there is someone out there converting horns to have interchangeable leadpipe systems? A friend wants the ability to have two lead pipes on his current horn that he can quickly change out. I've been combing the internet and can't find anyone stateside that specifies such a service. Also, where is the best place to buy replacement bells? is there an MK drawing of the trumpet bell world that I am missing? Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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You should give Rich Ita a call. We do these types of things 
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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mcgovnor
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 6:50 pm Post subject: Calicchio |
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| Dom Calicchio did it for me..35 years ago:) |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Hmm, many comments about how bad swappable components are from a certain poster, but no such complaints from mcgovnor? No loss of projection, core, or focus? |
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mcgovnor
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:39 am Post subject: its |
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| It's never the same as soldered on. |
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A_Ason
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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The interchangeable lead pipe system used by Eclipse is VERY robust.
In the picture below, the lead pipe is pulled out a bid just to show how it is done.
Push it all the way in, tighten the screw.
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razeontherock
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: its |
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| mcgovnor wrote: | | It's never the same as soldered on. |
Ok, but all the guys I knew to try different leadpipes before having them soldered on (Bob Livingood included) said they always played better during the trial, and a little worse after being soldered on. So with an interchangeable system does the lp also play better, or do you prefer it soldered on? |
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veery715
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Getzen utilizes a very similar setup to the Eclipse pictured. Is seems quite robust and doesn't "move." A drawback is it results in a shorter than normal reversed tuning slide tube, limiting how far you can pull it.
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While you are looking for a place to get the work done, check this out...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX07MjGz2b0
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Check with Charlie Melk, he set up Steve Patrick's horns with exchangeable bells and leadpipes that are braced. |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: its |
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| razeontherock wrote: | | mcgovnor wrote: | | It's never the same as soldered on. |
Ok, but all the guys I knew to try different leadpipes before having them soldered on (Bob Livingood included) said they always played better during the trial, and a little worse after being soldered on. So with an interchangeable system does the lp also play better, or do you prefer it soldered on? |
What I've experienced with unmounted pipes is a bit looser slots and a lot more ring behind the bell. If you really try to play them in a section, you lose a massive amount of projection.
I have played a few interchangeable systems and they all have their trade-offs. Essentially there were 3 ways used on the systems I tried. One was the spada version that used a rail system long he pipe and bell, another was the thein system that used sleeved leadpipes and threaded bells, and last was the Edwards system. I'd personally have a rough time using any of them for my utility horn but the Spada and Thein were both very nice horns. I've never gotten along with the Edwards horns so it may not be fair to throw them in my comparison...
Ron Pinc sketched a design he did for one of the guys in Columbus that looked pretty cool. It used two threaded rods and supposedly was much more stable than other modular set ups.
For the repairmen out there, is there a possibility of a threaded valve to bell/leadpipe brace and threaded z braces?
Good luck!
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:18 pm Post subject: what I said |
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| What I said was, a lead pipe never plays the same un-soldered. And, it doesn't. No matter how you rig it, they play a little less focused, a little looser, and a little less true, unsoldered. But they are more responsive. |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: what I said |
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| mcgovnor wrote: | | What I said was, a lead pipe never plays the same un-soldered. And, it doesn't. No matter how you rig it, they play a little less focused, a little looser, and a little less true, unsoldered. But they are more responsive. |
There was certainly no disagreement from me...
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razeontherock
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: what I said |
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| mcgovnor wrote: | | What I said was, a lead pipe never plays the same un-soldered. And, it doesn't. No matter how you rig it, they play a little less focused, a little looser, and a little less true, unsoldered. But they are more responsive. |
Thanks for that clarification! Hopefully I'll never need that info due to experimenting w/ leadpipes, but I will certainly remember it. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:48 am Post subject: |
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I got to say, I LOVE my interchangeable lead pipes.
I can't distinguish between fixed and interchangeable. I have two horns, and I've never heard anyone talk about the difference, apart from here. ***
I have three lead pipes with my Eclipse, and I *do* change them as different parts of my playing comes on and improves.
Here's a photo of the trumpet section of the John Wilson orchestra, all playing Smith Watkins, all with interchangeable lead pipes.
*** I not saying there isn't a difference, I can't tell the difference.
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