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vandenplass Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:48 am Post subject: how to cleen Schilke's valves. |
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I owned 2 trumpets from Schilke (B3 and E3L). I returned the B3 to Shilke's concernond sticky valves. They done a grest job. After monts of playing, the problems begin again. I leave the trumpet at a repair shop 4 times. And again the problem occured. I tried lots of receipes from the web with no satisfaction.
Two weeks ago, i tried Vim. A creamy stuff containing pumice stone. Now the valves never lay at the middle or ¾. i am very happy with the result.
No problem with my Vincent Bach Stradivarius.
Hope it will help you. _________________ Mendez, Nakariakov , Balsom and Helseth are my best. |
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VetPsychWars Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 7196 Location: Greenfield WI
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: how to cleen Schilke's valves. |
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vandenplass wrote: | I owned 2 trumpets from Schilke (B3 and E3L). I returned the B3 to Shilke's concernond sticky valves. They done a grest job. After monts of playing, the problems begin again. I leave the trumpet at a repair shop 4 times. And again the problem occured. I tried lots of receipes from the web with no satisfaction.
Two weeks ago, i tried Vim. A creamy stuff containing pumice stone. Now the valves never lay at the middle or ¾. i am very happy with the result.
No problem with my Vincent Bach Stradivarius.
Hope it will help you. |
Hope you don't mind replating those valves every few years.
Tom _________________ 1950 Buescher Lightweight 400 Trumpet
1949 Buescher 400 Trumpet
1939 Buescher 400 Cornet
GR65M, GR65 Cor #1 |
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etc-etc Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps you might entertain to change the title of the thread to "How NOT to clean Schilke valves".
Was it a demo horn? Were you the first user of the horn? If someone else broke in the valves, you might have had issues because the way you press the valves would not be the same.
Unless you like your Schilke horns with loose tolerances, I would stay away from pumice. |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 Dec 2001 Posts: 8344 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: how to cleen Schilke's valves. |
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VetPsychWars wrote: | vandenplass wrote: | I owned 2 trumpets from Schilke (B3 and E3L). I returned the B3 to Shilke's concernond sticky valves. They done a grest job. After monts of playing, the problems begin again. I leave the trumpet at a repair shop 4 times. And again the problem occured. I tried lots of receipes from the web with no satisfaction.
Two weeks ago, i tried Vim. A creamy stuff containing pumice stone. Now the valves never lay at the middle or ¾. i am very happy with the result.
No problem with my Vincent Bach Stradivarius.
Hope it will help you. |
Hope you don't mind replating those valves every few years.
Tom |
What's $800 every three or four years anyway? Bah, pocket change. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
Bach 184L Bb Cornet
Yamaha 731 Bb Flugelhorn |
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VetPsychWars Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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etc-etc wrote: | Perhaps you might entertain to change the title of the thread to "How NOT to clean Schilke valves".
Was it a demo horn? Were you the first user of the horn? If someone else broke in the valves, you might have had issues because the way you press the valves would not be the same.
Unless you like your Schilke horns with loose tolerances, I would stay away from pumice. |
This is a poorly-done ad for some crap product. Replies only to make sure no one else does something stupid that they'll regret.
Tom _________________ 1950 Buescher Lightweight 400 Trumpet
1949 Buescher 400 Trumpet
1939 Buescher 400 Cornet
GR65M, GR65 Cor #1 |
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think it is an ad. But if it is, your post count is two to everyone else's one.
But removing metal from the valves using an abrasive is not a good idea. I would first start with a good instrument cleaning taking extra care to ensure the connecting tubes between the valves are clean.
I then would try different oils. On a new horn I would try different light oils first. But since all shops errors I would also try a heavy oil just in case the valves are loose, not tight, since this can also cause valves to stick. |
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razeontherock Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: how to cleen Schilke's valves. |
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Crazy Finn wrote: |
What's $800 every three or four years anyway? Bah, pocket change. |
Who's charging that much for a valve job? They can be done for under $500. Think of all the lapping compound you can buy with the difference! Enough to need all new slides, too. |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: how to cleen Schilke's valves. |
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razeontherock wrote: | Crazy Finn wrote: |
What's $800 every three or four years anyway? Bah, pocket change. |
Who's charging that much for a valve job? They can be done for under $500. Think of all the lapping compound you can buy with the difference! Enough to need all new slides, too. |
You're totally right. That's what I get for pulling a number out of the air.
Charlie Melk charges around $800... for restoration. Not a valve job. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
Bach 184L Bb Cornet
Yamaha 731 Bb Flugelhorn |
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sparxIV Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:48 am Post subject: trs |
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I've played a B3 for many years
I never have and never will cleaned the valves. I do clean the rest of the horn
Just oil it with ultraPure (and play it) every day and you will be fine
Cheers,
sparx
www.sparxmusic.com _________________ sparx |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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etc-etc wrote: | Perhaps you might entertain to change the title of the thread to "How NOT to clean Schilke valves".
Was it a demo horn? Were you the first user of the horn? If someone else broke in the valves, you might have had issues because the way you press the valves would not be the same.
Unless you like your Schilke horns with loose tolerances, I would stay away from pumice. |
Good grief! I agree, using an abrasive on especially a Schilke's valves sounds like a ridiculously awful idea to me.
I also don't really think this is an ad for some snake oil product, no link to a website or lame Youtube video, even though snake oil is how I would describe such a concoction.
Brad361 _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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Jerry Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 5:13 am Post subject: |
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I once had a problem with sticky valves on one of my Schilkes that I hadn't played in months.
I took the advice from someone here on TH and soaked the valves overnight in vinegar/dish detergent mixture. After rinsing the valves in running water the next morning and liberally applying UltraPure, I haven't had a problem with those valves since. |
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vandenplass Regular Member
Joined: 20 Apr 2014 Posts: 28 Location: canada
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 8:54 am Post subject: |
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etc-etc wrote: | Perhaps you might entertain to change the title of the thread to "How NOT to clean Schilke valves".
Was it a demo horn? Were you the first user of the horn? If someone else broke in the valves, you might have had issues because the way you press the valves would not be the same.
Unless you like your Schilke horns with loose tolerances, I would stay away from pumice. |
I bought it brand new from Twigg's music _________________ Mendez, Nakariakov , Balsom and Helseth are my best. |
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etc-etc Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 9:53 am Post subject: |
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vandenplass wrote: | etc-etc wrote: | Perhaps you might entertain to change the title of the thread to "How NOT to clean Schilke valves".
Was it a demo horn? Were you the first user of the horn? If someone else broke in the valves, you might have had issues because the way you press the valves would not be the same.
Unless you like your Schilke horns with loose tolerances, I would stay away from pumice. |
I bought it brand new from Twigg's music |
Why not ask Schilke again, it could be just that horn. |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 10:12 am Post subject: |
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etc-etc wrote: | Why not ask Schilke again, it could be just that horn. |
No kidding. Using "web recipes" on a Schilke could be like putting some homemade gas from raw crude found in your backyard into your Ferrari. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
Bach 184L Bb Cornet
Yamaha 731 Bb Flugelhorn |
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vandenplass Regular Member
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 11:10 am Post subject: |
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Jerry wrote: | I once had a problem with sticky valves on one of my Schilkes that I hadn't played in months.
I took the advice from someone here on TH and soaked the valves overnight in vinegar/dish detergent mixture. After rinsing th
e valves in running water the next morning and liberally applying UltraPure, I haven't had a problem with those valves since. |
Thanks so much for the good advice (vinegar). I tried it for each valves dipped in vinegar for 10 min. I put Ultra cleen oïl and EUREKA For several days I played with no problems. When I went to the store where I bought the Schilke to adjust my valves the craftsman said to me that he will rubbed thew valves with a creamy stuff containing pumice stone. This why I tried to clean. Was not a good idea since you talked about vinegar.
My best regards _________________ Mendez, Nakariakov , Balsom and Helseth are my best. |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:32 am Post subject: |
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I'll never understand why some guys would even consider trying a DIY fix like that. If you live in an area where there is not a QUALIFIED tech, ship the horn to someone who is. In this case, Schilke most likely would have corrected the problem, probably at little or no charge. Yeah, packing and shipping a horn is a pain, and not without risk, but a goofy remedy like an abrasive cream on a precisely built horn??? And that "craftaman" (now THERE'S a stretch) who tried that is more than likely some guy who can remove a dent from some kid's Yamaha YTR 2335 and do a chem clean, but not much beyond that.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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vandenplass Regular Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:52 am Post subject: |
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I clean the valves wuith BlueMagic. When you buy a new trumpet, the manufactory put oil to preserve the valves from corrosion. You can play it for a while (2 hrs a day for me) and just add some synthetic oil. But the problem will occur. I tried BlueMgic metal cleaner. Wow! the valves are chromed after you finish to clean it. Just a bit of oil and this is the end of misery. _________________ Mendez, Nakariakov , Balsom and Helseth are my best. |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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vandenplass wrote: | I clean the valves wuith BlueMagic. When you buy a new trumpet, the manufactory put oil to preserve the valves from corrosion. You can play it for a while (2 hrs a day for me) and just add some synthetic oil. But the problem will occur. I tried BlueMgic metal cleaner. Wow! the valves are chromed after you finish to clean it. Just a bit of oil and this is the end of misery. |
"......the manufactory put oil to preserve the valves from corrosion......"
What?
So you switched from selling Vim to BlueMagic? And why am I even responding to a thread that makes no more sense now than it did a year ago?
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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Arbanator Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:07 am Post subject: |
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Clean the valves and casings with rubbing alcohol and then re-oil. |
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shofar1 New Member
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2016 7:35 am Post subject: |
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This sounds like the green and brown crud that sometimes builds up in many Monel pistons for some people. Try switching to an oil that contains a corrosion passivator (like the MusiChem Rotary Oil of past years) or a synthetic oil. |
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