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mm55
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"Dissonance exists in the 'realm of tonality'."
Definitely true. In fact, dissonance is one of the principle ways to establish tonality.
And dissonance can certainly be completely "within the changes".
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| trumanjazzguy wrote: | | If this has taught me anything, it's that if you can't scream, you can't play on a cruise ship. |
I think you're going to find that, in the commercial/jazz realm at least, the current "expected" range of a trumpeter is at least an "F," possibly a "G." I doubt they cared if you pasted the A's, but they'll want to E's and F's to be solid. The sad reality is that lead playing pays better than improvising, and there are enough guys that have high chops AND solo chops that employers don't really have to choose.
Here's some free advice (so it's worth what you pay for it), if you want to expand your range up to those E's, F's, and G's. Don't worry about your shaky top note. Figure out what the highest note that you feel TOTALLY comfortable playing is and then try to make a half step above that TOTALLY comfortable. Think of it as expanding your middle range as opposed to building your upper register. You don't need to beat yourself up trying to push out stuff above your range and you'll be surprised at how quickly that break between middle and high registers moves (if you're honest about where to start). Plus, by the time you're feeling strong and comfortable on a high C# or D, your E's and F's will start working too. They'll probably be a little shaky, but that's no big deal, by then you'll have figured out how to make them strong. Good luck.
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Seeing some great advice on here. My $0.02, having spent exactly 1 summer (felt much longer) on a ship during college. Do it if you can. Especially, as previously mentioned, if you like drinking, and if you like a bunch of fit, young dancers around you all the time.
That said, be cautious of a couple things. Excessive partying. Cynical people/dark musicians/bad attitudes. Don't get pressured into playing higher/louder than you are really comfortable, either. I developed some REALLY bad chop issues after my experience and had to take some time off to recover.
It could be really fun. Let us know how the audition goes.
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| CRoberts8 wrote: | | Trumpetmannj wrote: | | If you had a solid a and could argticulate es and fs with any time, then you wouldn't be looking for a cruise ship gig. Take the stuff down and try to play with a good sound. |
Trust me, having those notes does not guarantee gigs. If it did I'd be working more than I am (not complaining, I'm getting a good bit of work). If I'm missing out on a "can play some reasonably high notes reliably" sign up sheet somewhere, point me there and I'm in. What has gotten me gigs is doing the best I can to be reliable, and "paying my dues" when appropriate. The high notes can be helpful, but have never been a deciding factor. Maybe I am trying to break into a different scene than you are talking about, but, I think we are talking about the same thing.
Some fantastic players and great people do and have done the cruise ship thing. There is something respectable to me about anybody who can make a living in music. It's a challenge a lot of us here face, and I choose to be respectful especially to those who work hard to make a living in performance. |
Dude, you totally missed the point. Instead of trying to pinch out some notes you don't have, take it down and play with a good sound. I graduated from cruise ships 25 years ago and I only met two guys out there that had a solid high a and solid f and g register and they both went on to do bigger things. It's pretty stupid to have music like that for a cruise ship audition and although its been forever, I think the company he is auditioning for is a second party subcontractor that take a piece of your check for the honor of giving you a so so gig. Also, the only reason I am throwing my two cents in with Internet trumpet players is that I wa t to buy a couple of things in the marketplace and you have to make a certain amount of posts so the sell can determine you are in fact a trumpet player and not a Nigerian prince! |
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| Trumpetmannj wrote: | | If you had a solid a and could argticulate es and fs with any time, then you wouldn't be looking for a cruise ship gig. Take the stuff down and try to play with a good sound. |
I've got that and change and I'm still hanging onto my day job lol.
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| Trumpetmannj wrote: | | ...the only reason I am throwing my two cents in with Internet trumpet players is that I wa t to buy a couple of things in the marketplace and you have to make a certain amount of posts so the sell can determine you are in fact a trumpet player and not a Nigerian prince! |
well...ok 
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| If you can't scream like faddis, you need to keep practicing. I am still practicing. I am not old enough but if I don't get a trumpet related job on land after college... man I'll be out at sea! |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:15 pm Post subject: Need better cruise ships |
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It would be a great world if cruise ships would not skimp on the live musical entertainment, akin to maybe what Seth McFarlane does with his shows meaning he arguably goes overboard with the music, but is a huge emotional tool to have when story telling.
Question is, how can this be changed?
In the overall budget of a cruise ship, paying musicians well should be easy to do, id est, not like upgrading the rudder!, but I don't have ANY expertise in this issue. I've never even been on a cruise, but if there was a great paying gig on a ship, other than sanitary issues and the boat capsizing/sinking, the trumpet was made for the open seas i think:)
During this era where you can't really sell music anymore, the live experience should be the real money maker, right? I don't have any insight into the music business, so I am very curious.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:50 pm Post subject: Re: Need better cruise ships |
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| nvidal wrote: |
During this era where you can't really sell music anymore, the live experience should be the real money maker, right? |
How many passengers buy their tickets for a cruise ship in order to listen to the live music being performed on board?
Answer: on your typical cruise ship, the answer is 0. Just like at a standard bar, they're hoping to get you up dancing, working up a thirst and/or trying to impress someone, have you spend your money, and the worth of the band is calculated by what's in the till. Not gross, but profit. And usually a DJ does as well or better than a live band, of any flavor.
The exception to these harsh facts might be if it is a specifically music-themed or oriented cruise, but how many tickets are sold like that?
The answer according to me is to sell yourself (and your appropriate combo) to dinner theaters. More of these are popping up, and I say the market and economy are ripe for this sort of small-fry entertainment, where $30-ish per head gets a night of sober fun, NOT based on getting sloshed and then going to jail for DUI. This also explains why casinos are still doing ok. |
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Billy B
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New postPosted: 23 Oct 2014 17:50 Post subject: Re: Need better cruise ships Reply with quote
nvidal wrote:
During this era where you can't really sell music anymore, the live experience should be the real money maker, right?
How many passengers buy their tickets for a cruise ship in order to listen to the live music being performed on board?
Answer: on your typical cruise ship, the answer is 0. Just like at a standard bar, they're hoping to get you up dancing, working up a thirst and/or trying to impress someone, have you spend your money, and the worth of the band is calculated by what's in the till. Not gross, but profit. And usually a DJ does as well or better than a live band, of any flavor.
The exception to these harsh facts might be if it is a specifically music-themed or oriented cruise, but how many tickets are sold like that?
The answer according to me is to sell yourself (and your appropriate combo) to dinner theaters. More of these are popping up, and I say the market and economy are ripe for this sort of small-fry entertainment, where $30-ish per head gets a night of sober fun, NOT based on getting sloshed and then going to jail for DUI. This also explains why casinos are still doing ok.
I disagree. The shows on the ships are serious business and the passengers expect top notch entertainment. Every gig has it's downside.
BTW, you know how to get a musician to complain; Give him a gig.
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