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JohnO Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:43 pm Post subject: Range Practice |
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I try to get in at least two practice sessions a day. The first session I like to work a bit on range. My question is: is the concept of muscle confusion that's used in fitness worthwhile in range practice? Eg, does it make sense to do a different routine each day, say CG one day, then Caruso the next, then maybe Vizzutti the next etc? Or do the chops like consistency in this endeavor meaning pick one and stay with it. Just curious. Thank you. John |
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Matthew Anklan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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I have found the best results for myself and my students through a consistent approach. You need to set yourself up for success through creating reliable results. There are many excellent resources on range development available today. I would suggest to work with a teacher who has a great upper register and stick to one plan for a while. Development takes time, usually several years. Like all facets of trumpet playing, range is just one of many. It should not be held in higher regard than things like the basic production of a beautiful sound, articulation, musical phrasing, and so on. And, just like becoming great at anything else, practice, persistence, patience, and consistency are a must.
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gbdeamer Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: Range Practice |
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JohnO wrote: | I try to get in at least two practice sessions a day. The first session I like to work a bit on range. My question is: is the concept of muscle confusion that's used in fitness worthwhile in range practice? Eg, does it make sense to do a different routine each day, say CG one day, then Caruso the next, then maybe Vizzutti the next etc? Or do the chops like consistency in this endeavor meaning pick one and stay with it. Just curious. Thank you. John |
The upper register is all about finesse, not muscle.
Slow and steady wins the race, not staggered sets to build big biceps (or lips in this case).
The higher you get the closer the slots become, so you need your chops to be as relaxed and responsive as possible. _________________ 1987 Bach Strad 37
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:47 pm Post subject: Re: Range Practice |
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JohnO wrote: | I try to get in at least two practice sessions a day. The first session I like to work a bit on range. My question is: is the concept of muscle confusion that's used in fitness worthwhile in range practice? Eg, does it make sense to do a different routine each day, say CG one day, then Caruso the next, then maybe Vizzutti the next etc? Or do the chops like consistency in this endeavor meaning pick one and stay with it. Just curious. Thank you. John |
Switching like that sounds like a formula for disaster. Within each invidual methodology there should be sufficient variation to keep you engaged. But to be clear individual methods typically draw from many different texts. I know the CG method does. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
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What gbdeamer said. _________________ Scott LeVal
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jungledoc Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:00 am Post subject: Re: Range Practice |
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JohnO wrote: | I try to get in at least two practice sessions a day. The first session I like to work a bit on range. My question is: is the concept of muscle confusion that's used in fitness worthwhile in range practice? Eg, does it make sense to do a different routine each day, say CG one day, then Caruso the next, then maybe Vizzutti the next etc? Or do the chops like consistency in this endeavor meaning pick one and stay with it. Just curious. Thank you. John | "Muscle confusion" is a myth that doesn't lead to anything useful in any aspect of fitness. Muscles don't think, muscles don't remember, they can't be confused. So I doubt that "muscle confusion" would benefit you in trumpet playing, either. A person, on the other hand, does think, can remember, and may be confused. I think switching methods from day to day could lead to that kind of confusion! _________________ Andy
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ewetho Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:11 am Post subject: |
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I think you will find that MUSCLE CONFUSION idea in full effect in most good systems. You don't only play one thing but different ranges, syncopation, slurred passages, staccato, fast rhythms, long tones and even music. It is al their. CG has all of this. Can't be a well rounded trumpet player without it. He had students play go on to play professionally in classical, jazz, commercial. One method.... Hmmmm
Now if after a while you want or even from the start you want to add or start with follow on works such as Eric Bolvin or Bill Knevitt great. Also some other great methods beyond those. _________________ Kanstul Chicago 1001
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zackh411 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:46 am Post subject: |
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I think that on the subject of range expansion, it is best to have at least one consistent part of your routine. _________________ ~Zack
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:38 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Matthew Anklan"]I have found the best results for myself and my students through a consistent approach. You need to set yourself up for success through creating reliable results. There are many excellent resources on range development available today. I would suggest to work with a teacher who has a great upper register and stick to one plan for a while. Development takes time, usually several years. Like all facets of trumpet playing, range is just one of many. It should not be held in higher regard than things like the basic production of a beautiful sound, articulation, musical phrasing, and so on. And, just like becoming great at anything else, practice, persistence, patience, and consistency are a must.
+1... well stated _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
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Craig Swartz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:06 am Post subject: |
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When I was a HS kid in the 1960s I built up a pretty good DHC using arpeggios, both 1 and 2 octaves. I heard a kid at a music camp doing this daily and he was up around A4 at the time.
Later, I figured out he was probably using the Gordon SA method. I've used it with students and on myself since I found it and I'd highly recommend it. If you can find a former Gordon student as a teacher/mentor, see if you can use them as well. I was fortunate enough to attend several Gordon workshops years back, I think I've gotten his autograph 3 times in my old SA book. Use what works.
Ditto on the finesse v brute force. Good luck. |
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Pops Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Doing it is 99% and WHAT book you do is 1% or less.
Want high notes?
Then play more of them tomorrow than you played today. Do that every day.
That is the basic of every high note system. _________________ Clint 'Pops' McLaughlin
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Craig Swartz Heavyweight Member
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Agreed. Using SA would at least make certain one was playing in that register on a regular basis. Taking things up an octave was also a regular deal, but not during band. That'd have gotten one moved down or kicked out of our program back then. |
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JohnO Regular Member
Joined: 27 Aug 2014 Posts: 24 Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:41 pm Post subject: Range Practice |
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I asked the question not because I was trying to build huge embouchure muscles. It seems that if one practices something similar over and over, then the chops figure out the knack of doing it which may not be entirely correct. And within a given pedagogy there ,seems to be a bit of similarity. So I was actually wondering if mixing methods would keep the chops from getting complacent if you will. I like spending time doing Caruso exercises, and I like spending time doing CG type exercises, and also Vizzutti high note exercises (not on the same day, but as a way to start the day with the calisthenics portion of practice, then rest, then technical and musical material later). When I work on flexibility, there are several sources that I use. Why should calisthenics be any different?
Regardless, I spoke with a CG based teacher in Chicago today and plan to spend some quality Skype time with him. |
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Bluesy Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Playing steady long tones on your highest controllable note is a very good method for extending your range. It has to be followed by a good rest period, however. And maybe only 2 or 3 times a week.
That's my $0.02.
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Selecao07 New Member
Joined: 26 Nov 2014 Posts: 5 Location: United States
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Range Practice |
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JohnO wrote: | I try to get in at least two practice sessions a day. The first session I like to work a bit on range. My question is: is the concept of muscle confusion that's used in fitness worthwhile in range practice? Eg, does it make sense to do a different routine each day, say CG one day, then Caruso the next, then maybe Vizzutti the next etc? Or do the chops like consistency in this endeavor meaning pick one and stay with it. Just curious. Thank you. John |
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oj Heavyweight Member
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