Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 2331 Location: Beavercreek, OH
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:50 pm Post subject:
They work well and are very compact, though when I was working in a music store, I saw quite a few of them come back for return - broken clips, control buttons not working etc. So, maybe I wonder about their durability.
I'm just not a fan of them being used, constantly, during rehearsals and gigs. They are not a substitute for using your ears. _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
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Joined: 16 Dec 2014 Posts: 6 Location: United States
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 10:56 am Post subject:
zaferis wrote:
I'm just not a fan of them being used, constantly, during rehearsals and gigs. They are not a substitute for using your ears.
I definitely agree with this, they aren't a substitute. As far as tuners go, I use a snark all instrument tuner, and have for about a year now. I like it, you don't have some of the pickup issues that other tuners have sometimes.
Yeah, I don't think many people advocate using them all the time, but I'm assuming they use them in the studio because of the headphones they have to wear. This can make it a little tricky to hear for intonation purposes.
Although, I can see it being a good practice tool.
Joined: 25 Jun 2009 Posts: 144 Location: Louisiana
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:11 pm Post subject:
I liked mine before the clip broke. If you get one, be sure to store it in a way that it won't get damaged. It doesn't take much pressure for the clip to break.
I really enjoyed it for practice. I also used it for a couple of gigs around Christmas last year. Two churches I played at were using a click/background track that was synced with video. The track had a lot of the instrumentation they didn't have players for as well as electronic instruments. As snichols said, headphones can throw things off. It helped having the tuner there when playing with the track. I wouldn't advocate using it in performance outside of situations like that though.
All in all, it's a great tool. _________________ Yamaha 8310Z
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Joined: 24 Dec 2010 Posts: 2197 Location: Venice, CA & Paris, France
Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:50 pm Post subject:
FYI
you can send them in for replacement if the clip is broken _________________ ron meza (deadbeat jazz musician) & (TH 5 post ghost neighborhood watch ringleader)
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I use one and it helps. _________________ Schilke S-32
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The rubber protection came loose and got lost after very little use.
I like the tuner a lot. Very clear. It seems to work best on VIB mode where it senses vibration. The MIC mode seems slower, more prone to overtones confusing it, as well as a noisy environment - obviously.
Im just about to order another one for my GF!
As a guitar teacher I have seen a LOT of these wee devices. The Snark is the best of the lot I reckon.
In my experience, the ball joint in Snark tuner needs to be greased (e.g. with the tuning slide grease) to avoid snapping of plastic. The angle at which the ball joint can be turned is often insufficient for viewing it clearly, stressing the ball joint. The rubber support needs to be glued in position with cork and pad (or other) glue, otherwise it easily falls off.
I believe the positioning of Snark would have worked much better with two larger ball joints on either end of the arm, instead of one small ball joint.
In my experience, the ball joint in Snark tuner needs to be greased (e.g. with the tuning slide grease) to avoid snapping of plastic. The angle at which the ball joint can be turned is often insufficient for viewing it clearly, stressing the ball joint. The rubber support needs to be glued in position with cork and pad (or other) glue, otherwise it easily falls off.
I believe the positioning of Snark would have worked much better with two larger ball joints on either end of the arm, instead of one small ball joint.
100% agree! And thanks for the slide grease tip. I'll be doing that when I get in. The rubber is missing from mine so I'll glue some cork onto mine. _________________ Maestro Arturo Sandoval on Barkley Microphones!
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Use your ears. I cringe every time I see this. It means you're not listening. Tuning comes from listening. About all that does is give you the ability to say "But my needle is spot on in the center!" Think for yourself. Do NOT let a tiny little gadget do it for you.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXBiH5EL8x8 _________________ -Glenn Roberts
"Character is the backbone of human culture, and music is the flowering of human character". -Confucious
Use your ears. I cringe every time I see this. It means you're not listening. Tuning comes from listening. About all that does is give you the ability to say "But my needle is spot on in the center!" Think for yourself. Do NOT let a tiny little gadget do it for you.
It's easy for a pro to say "use your ears", but MANY beginners, amateurs, comeback players, and casual players don't have the "ears" that a pro does.
There are a lot of people who's trumpet is the only musical instrument in the house. The player is trying to learn how to play the instrument at the same time they're learning about music. They don't have the ability to sit next to a piano to determine (even referentially) where they are regarding pitch.
Plop a Clarke book or any basic exercise in front of them and they'll attempt to play the ink, but they have no frame of reference to tell if the Bb they're attempting to sound is anywhere near an actual Bb.
Used properly (there's the rub) a tuner can be a good resource. _________________ 1987 Bach Strad 37
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Use your ears. I cringe every time I see this. It means you're not listening. Tuning comes from listening. About all that does is give you the ability to say "But my needle is spot on in the center!" Think for yourself. Do NOT let a tiny little gadget do it for you.
You can "use your ears" all you want, but if you don't have perfect pitch and are in a situation where the player next to you plays out of tune or the entire ensemble is having pitch problems (think community theater musical), at least the tuner is a reference point. Besides, if it's good enough for Wayne Bergeron, it's good enough for me.
Joined: 09 May 2013 Posts: 40 Location: Churchville, United States
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:19 am Post subject:
I have one. I use it and I like it. I appreciate the fact that you can use the vibrate setting to pick up only your instrument. The metronome feature comes in handy, too.
Use your ears. I cringe every time I see this. It means you're not listening. Tuning comes from listening. About all that does is give you the ability to say "But my needle is spot on in the center!" Think for yourself. Do NOT let a tiny little gadget do it for you.
No one suggested not using their ears. The question was about whether a tuner was of good quality or not. The snark is.
If you think a tuner can't be a useful tool, then you are in the same boat with those who insist that they are playing in tune because the tuner says so.
As mentioned above - if it's good enough for Wayne. _________________ Maestro Arturo Sandoval on Barkley Microphones!
https://youtu.be/iLVMRvw5RRk
So if I get the blue one, I can play like Wayne, but the red one makes you play like Dan?
As always from those two, just sick. Any time you see him get that sneer right before he begins playing, you know he is kicking into Waynard mode. _________________ Since all other motives—fame, money, power, even honor—are thrown out the window the moment I pick up that instrument..... I play because I love doing it, even when the results are disappointing. In short, I do it to do it.” Wayne Booth
I would be surprised if they're looking at the tuner while playing.
I have a tuner that clamps on. I find that it can't react fast enough to use while performing. It's good to use before performing while everybody is warming up because it only hears you.
Using a tuner while performing is really the wrong thing to do if you want to play "in tune". It gets you up to the plate. You still have to swing the bat. _________________ Joe Spitzer
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