Wick 2 cornet equivalent from Curry?

tvknight415 · Veteran Member Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Posts: 132 Location: WI

Has anyone had Mr. Curry make them a custom piece to be the equivalent of a Wick 2 cornet mouthpiece (the really deep one)? Did you go with a flugel mouthpiece on a cornet shank, a custom duplication, or let Mark come up with something else? If so, what were the results (and if a flugel cup, which did you go with - to my untrained eye, the Wick 2 looks between a FL and FLD cup but with a bigger throat)?

I've got his BBC, but am looking for that really deep dark Wick no-letter sound with a comfortable rim. I've considered moving to a 4W for rim comfort, but would rather stay at the larger size and have all my rims matching (everything else I play on is Curry 1-1/2s).

Thanks.

Richard III · Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:26 am Post subject:

I had him make a flugel MP, a FL-D, which is his deepest flugel MP on a cornet shank. He told me it was the deepest cornet mouthpiece he'd done and was curious also what it would sound like. I had it made for a pre-58 Conn 80A. Really nice sound.

Compared to a Wick no letter it has a more resonant sound.
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Louise Finch · Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:12 am Post subject:

Hi

Personally, I'd send Jim New at Kansul, your Denis Wick 2 cornet mouthpiece and one of your Curry 1.5s to scan. I would then ask him to digitally combine the two, making sure that he combines the minimum amount of the Curry 1.5 rim with the maximum amount of the top of the Wick 2 cup.

I learned my lesson with this, when I did it the screw rim way. I had Jim New make me a screw rim version of my Bach 3C rim. Since I was going to send my rim to Bob Reeves with my Wick 4B cornet mouthpiece to thread as an underpart, I mustakeny asked for Reeves threads on my screw rim. I subsequently learnt when I tried to ascertain why the resulting mouthpiece sounded halfway between a Bach cornet mouthpiece and a Denis Wick 4B, that I should have specified Bach threads, as this preserves more of the top portion of the cup of the mouthpiece converted to the underpart. I believe that you need to preserve as much of the top of the Denis Wick cup as possible, or you lose the timbre of the original mouthpiece.

I really hope that this will help.

Take Care

Lou
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Richard III · Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:05 pm Post subject:

What is also interesting is that I find the Curry BBC rim quite sharp and the Wick rims no problem at all. But it might be because I'm playing Curry 7's and a Wick 4. I've also got all of the no letter and B Wicks from 2-5. All are comfortable to me.
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RandyTX · Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:34 pm Post subject:

If I ever move back over to cornet from flugel in BB, definitely going to have a Wick underpart matched to a Curry rim.

Not that Mark isn't already busy, but if he came out with a "Wick no-letter clone" with his rim on top, it'd be a home run.

tvknight415 · Veteran Member Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Posts: 132 Location: WI

Thank you for the feedback so far.

As to the Kanstul idea, I think I'd rather try Mark first, just because I'm getting the genuine thing, not a clone (Have to believe that there are micro-differences between a clone and an original cut). Also, thinking the price would be more reasonable.

I'm not opposed to the idea, depending on price, and if I'm able to reach Mark for the custom order.

I was looking at the cup profiles on the internet wayback machine archive of Mark's site (they don't appear to be currently listed), and the VC cup looks fairly large, but not as deep as the flugel cups. Anyone have a thought how close that might be to a Wick no-letter equivalent?

Richard-if I may ask, how much was the upcharge for the custom shank on the FLD? Was it along the lines of the custom Olds/Conn shanks, or more along a custom blank/custom piece price (If you don't feel comfortable listing it online, drop me a PM).

Louise Finch · Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:24 pm Post subject:

Richard III · Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:52 pm Post subject:

Louise Finch · Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:03 am Post subject:

Hi

Again not like a Wick, but other compromises which may be worth trying are the Warburton 3BC, Schilke Symphony Series V2 or Yamaha 16E. The Yamaha 16E is my favourite brass band cornet mouthpiece, but I am a player who finds that the Wick 2 sounds too flugel like. The 16E has a cup depth between the Wick B and no letter cups (deeper from memory than the Curry BBC), and a smaller throat. To me, it has a lovely Brass Band cornet tone, far more brass band like than a Curry BBC. Its rim is however fairly narrow, and not as comfortable as that of the Warburton 3BC, which for me personally, was the most comfortable rim I have played. For me, the Yamaha 16E wins on sound, but it doesn't sound like a Denis Wick no letter cup.

Take Care

Lou

http://www.schilkemusic.com/products/mouthpieces/custom-series/#symphony-cornet
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Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs

Richard III · Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 6:46 am Post subject:

GordonH · Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:16 am Post subject:

The Wick 2 rim should be very similar to a 1.5C Bach rim, but it won;t feel like it because of the steep drop away from the edge.

You might find this review helpful (or not):
http://www.ecalpemos.org/2014/03/denis-wick-cornet-mouthpiece-review.html
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