Bach 37G replace horn

[OndraJ]

I love my Bach Strad 37G from the late 70s (#155xxx).
I like all the characteristics of this horn and it fits me like no other.
Just one problem: the notes above high D (above high C) seems to not be on the horn. Es, E, F do not slot. I can get this notes but they are hard to hit and hard to hold, because they didn't slot.
high D is the breakover point.
All notes below slot centerd like a piano.
I have tried other mouthpieces with the same result.
I can get this notes on some other horns with much less effort.

Could you suggest horns with the same characteristics through the hole range?

[BrigantiumJazz]

That´s no problem of the horn.
That´s the problem of the embouchure.
A consequent training will help you to expand your range.
but that need a lot of time...

[BrigantiumJazz]

Übrigens...liebe Grüße aus Österreich....LACH

[marnix]

Are you sure that
A: the valves are aligned properly
B: you are able to play those high notes? (on other trumpets)

Because misaligned valves can cause some issues regarding the slotting and playability of the horn. Make it sound fuzzy or difficult to slot the notes.
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[OndraJ]

[Steve Hollahan]

Most older horns have worn felts. Neoprene pads on top swell or shrink. Check for replacements. Bach sells a cleaning kit for Bach Strad w/felts, springs etc. Check for it. A good deal if you DYI.
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Bach 37, 229 C
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Kanstul 900 piccolo trumpet
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[RandyTX]

[Ed Kennedy]

1. If there is a repair tech in Europe who can "blueprint" your Bach (a la James Becker of Osmun Music in Boston) your problem could be solved.

2. James Morrison and Tony Scodwell have been design consultants with Shagerl instruments right there in Austria. You might check out their instruments, maybe even a factory tour?

[TKSop]

[James Becker]

If the your leadpipe is the original from the late 1970's my educated guess is the mouthpiece gap is too close. Though you might benefit from a valve alignment, I'm pretty confident the valves have measurable wear from 35+ years. These two are the most common contributors of poor pitch center on older Bach trumpets.

I'd be happy to give it the once over, measure the receiver, pressure test the valves, all at no cost to you. Once your trumpet's mechanical soundness is assessed we can go from there.

I hope to hear from you.
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[danny45635]

I've experience similar problems, but not on my main horn. I normally can own a high F (and maybe a G on good days), but on a few yamahas and Schilkes (forgive me if I spelt that wrong) I have tried, they didn't resonate and were a struggle to play. But I would say work on your embrochure anyways and also let other try out the horn. In most cases it the player and not the horn (very important).
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[razeontherock]

[C.E.Divine]

How does your lower register feel? Slightly stuffy? What about notes above the ones you have issues with? A horn with leaky valves will have the most trouble in the lower and upper registers, which is at least half of what you describe. I am surprised no one has asked about the lower register response and feel yet. That coupled with the gap from a worn mouthpiece receiver like Mr. Becker mentioned will cause a whole host of issues. These are all typical old instrument woes. Parts wear down and need replaced. My worry is, you have experienced this change gradually over time, so returning parts to their proper tolerance will make the horn completely different from what you remember it being, because you grew as a player as the horn aged. Sometimes, the shortcomings of the instrument are also what makes us love that particular instrument so much, because we have grown accustomed to them. It is like Stockholm Syndrome.
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Bach LR19043B B-flat
Blackburn converted Bach C
Kanstul CC920 Piccolo
Blessing XL Flugelhorn
J.W. York and Sons Perfec-Tone B-flat/A Cornet

[OndraJ]

Ok. Thanks for your posts.

I'm going to check it with an other strong player.
I will also check the gap and the alignment. The compresson is fine.

The Calicchio is a 1s7, but I do not realy like it and will sell it, because I feel much better on more heavy horns.
I bought the Bach used a year ago, now it is my allround horn.

There are no problems in the low register.

[marnix]

Okay, I missed the last line of your post...

Is the mouthpiece you are playing, the same as you use on your other instruments? And are those combinations better? Then it might be (as James Becker suggested) the reciever, which is causing the problem. Or just that the combination between your mpc and instrument is not the right one.

You might consider selling not only the Calicchio, but also the Bach, and trade it for an instrument that suits you better.
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Olds Recording '66
Stomvi Mahler Titan.
XO brass C trumpet
XO brass picc
Yamaha 741 D
Back to good old GR 66L

[OndraJ]

Thanks for the suggestions and tips.

I've done the "paper trick" and the slotting up there was much better than without a paper. But not perfect.
Maybe it is an combination of a few things like you suggested above:
Mouthpiece horn combination
gap/receiver
valve alingnment

So I have tried a used Yamaha YTR9335NY and love this horn.
It ist the perfect match to the 37G without any issues. I will give it a try for some time and look if i could stay warm with it.

This Quote form the Chase Sanborn blog nailed it: