Breslmair and Klier

TonytheTiger · Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:22 pm Post subject: Breslmair and Klier

Hi,

What is the rim on the Breslmair G2 like and what is it's closest equivalent in term of shape and/or inner diameter?
Just so I can compare it to my mouthpiece and, maybe, have an idea of what it is like using the kanstul comparator.

If possible, I would like the same kind of information about the standard rim on the JK exclusive serie.

Thanks in advance,

Tony

TonytheTiger · Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 3:36 am Post subject:

Anyone?

Miketpt · Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:08 am Post subject:

IMO, the G2 rim is kind of it's own animal and really can't be compared to Bach contour-wise.

The JK exclusive rim feels more familiar to Bach rims, but slightly wider.

Hope that helps,

Mike

freud311 · Veteran Member Joined: 02 Aug 2004 Posts: 108

Miketpt is right. What mouthpiece do you play? It will be easier to give you a description comparing your rim to these.

TonytheTiger · Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:17 pm Post subject:

I play a "new" small letter Bach 1-1/2B with the shank so worn out it is worth mentioning.
The combination of large inner diameter/relatively small outer diameter (due to the flat narrow rim) really works well for me, but I fear german rims may be quite different.

Tony

freud311 · Veteran Member Joined: 02 Aug 2004 Posts: 108

The rim of 1 1/2B is very narrow compared to G2 and even the Klier.I am also a 1 1/2 player and I feel the Breslmair rim restrictive. However it is the most responsive flat and wide rim I ever played. The articulation is very good but when I have to move from the lower register higher it becomes difficult. The solution for me was to rounded the outer bite of the rim and the flexibility problem solved. The Klier have narrower rim but still wider and flatter than 1 1/2B. Different shape also. Breslmair have a 1 1/2 type rims. I had the 112 that was 1 1/2 copy but it felt small because of the outer diameter. Maybe they have a copy of the 1 1/2B rim. You can ask them. The can make everything in extremely high quality.

GordonH · Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:48 am Post subject:

The G2 rim is smaller than a 1.5C or 1.5B. Breslmair make a coy of the 1.5C rim that fits. I would say that the G2 rim is close in feel to a Wick 4 - a lot of grip. I had problems making the G2 rim work so I started using thier copy of the 3C rim - same rim used by the principal trumpet of the Berlin Phil on his G2.
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GordonH · Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:49 am Post subject:

By the way they made me a cornet mouthpiece and had it delivered in seven days. So getting a custom one done is not necessarily difficult.
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Bill Dishman · Heavyweight Member Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Posts: 1174

I use the Breslmair G1 and the rim is quite different from the standard Bach. I is more narrow with a sharper edge. More so than my Bach 1 1/2 B.

I am assuming these are for use with rotary trumpets as the back bores and throats are different from the standard piston mp's.

The Klier trumpet mp's have a little wider rims. The cornet mp's are really quite good but my "1' size is huge and takes a lot to use. Much like the Schilke 24.

Bill Dishman
Gainesville, Florida

TonytheTiger · Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:09 am Post subject:

Thanks to all of you!

Would a modified bach 1.5B work on rotary?
If so, do you recommend any throat/backbore combination I could use as a starting point?

Tony

GordonH · Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:13 pm Post subject:

My feeling is that the modifications necessary to a conventional mouthpiece would cost more than getting a correct one. For example, Yamaha make a 15E4 for rotary trumpets. If you want to stick to Bach 1B I imagine a 117 backbore and a larger throat (maybe a 26) would help. The reason I think this is that the Breslmair's have a #25 throat. I own their G backbore and their copy of the 117 bach backbore. You are probably going to need a bigger backbore for rotary. I use the 117 backbore for piston valve trumpet because the G has difficult intonation in the low register.
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Cornet - Geneva Heritage, Conn 28A
Mouthpieces - Monette 1-5 rims and similar.

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sam1750 · Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:05 am Post subject:

The rim of JK in different measures of internal diameter are totally different from a Bach as the border is concerned, it is very flat in comparison, more comfortable and gives more strength but also flexibility sometimes a problem but nothing that can not be solved with practice, Breslmair also is a very good mouthpiece even more to have the opportunity to combine different pieces with the same ring in their modular pieces, it is a marvel.

jcstites · Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 10:59 am Post subject:

I also use a 1 1/2b (rim) and had a hard time finding a rotary mouthpiece that worked for me. I used a JK 4c, 4b, Breslmair g2, and several others, but what I found works for me is to have a "rotary mouthpiece" threaded so I can put a Bach rim on it. Buy a used Breslmair or Schagerl g2 or g1 or Yamaha 16e4 (much cheaper) and send it to Matt Frost to have it threaded.

trumpet56 · Heavyweight Member Joined: 16 Jun 2010 Posts: 623

I find the rim makes a big difference to the sound. It took me a while after a lifetime on Bach rims to acclimatize to the flatter surface of the rotary mouthpiece rim but it was worthwhile in the long run.

Irving · Heavyweight Member Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 1887

Breslmair makes copies of Bach rims, for example 112 would be their version of the 1 1/2C rim, 114, the 1 1/4C rim. They are not exact copies though. They get the diameter right, but their copies tend to me a little narrower, and rounder than Bach rims.

KSaufley · Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:29 pm Post subject:

Greetings,

Does anyone have any experience playing a G2, perhaps, in a piston Trumpet?
What would be the general tendencies of playing a Rotary Mouthpiece in a Piston?
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OndraJ · Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:04 pm Post subject: Breslmair Comperator

Breslmairs new website is online.

On the bottom of this site, is a download link on the right. There you can download a PDF file and you can compare the different rims. Just switch off the other rims on the left side of your adobe reader.

Here ist the site:
http://www.breslmair.com/modellauswahl/trompete/rand-trompete/

Same on the cups:
http://www.breslmair.com/modellauswahl/trompete/kessel-trompete/

There are several cups and backbores that work very well on pistons.

GordonH · Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:02 am Post subject:

AJCarter · Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:56 am Post subject:

GordonH · Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:05 am Post subject:

Just to clarify, I am using the 117 for piston valve trumpet and the G for rotary.
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Bb - Scherzer 8218W, Schilke S22, Bach 43, Selmer 19A Balanced
Pic - Weril
Flugel - Courtois 154
Cornet - Geneva Heritage, Conn 28A
Mouthpieces - Monette 1-5 rims and similar.

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