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trumpet_bob_silver Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 12:04 pm Post subject: recovery affected by calorie intake? |
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Or cutting or bulking, fewer or more calories than your body needs just to survive.
I see it mentioned for exercising. I've been wondering if it relates to trumpet playing, recovery, since playing the trumpet does work muscles. Embouchure is what I'm thinking of mostly though.
Has anyone noticed an effect on their trumpet playing recovery related to their calorie intake or lack of?
For calories I'm generally thinking 1800-2000 normal, 3000-3500 high/bulk, 1200 low, and if you throw in exercise to burn calories it's possible to go to 0 or negative. |
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homecookin Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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I really don't think it has very much to do with trumpet playing at all.
The pathway to successful trumpet playing is all about consistent, intelligent practice and finding every opportunity you can to perform with the very best musicians you can find in a variety of musical ensembles. It is important for a musician to perform for an audience with other musicians. This provides opportunities for musical growth.Embouchure development and developing breath control
and developing your articulation skills really have very little to do with the amount of calorie intake. Of course, I'm sure you will get a variety of responses to your question. |
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jcstites Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think there is much to this in regards to trumpet playing, as trumpet playing doesn't really require much muscle strength to start with. Two years ago I lost 80 pounds over a period of 4 months, which averaged around 800 calories per day. I didn't notice any negative effects to my trumpet playing in regards to recovery. If anything, it helped my playing, both during and after. |
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american boy Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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I lost a bunch of weight in the late 90s(about 60 lb) and I don't know if its a coincidence,but my playing felt improved..Maybe airstream was less impeded..Don`t know..On the other hand, I remember a time in the early 90`s when I was doing a rehearsal with the late great Lew Soloff,and he had just lost a lot of weight,and was complaining that he lost a couple notes on top(sounded great to me!)..He was going to start more sit ups,he said..From this is I guess weight change carries variables |
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: recovery affected by calorie intake? |
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trumpet_bob_silver wrote: | Embouchure is what I'm thinking of mostly though. |
So many still seem to think it's all about the lips. Having just got home from the final performance of The Producers for the week, I can tell you it's not my face muscles or lips that are sore. It's my blowing muscles of the chest, back and abdomen (mainly the back) where I'm feeling it.
I find myself craving protein (STEAK!!!) after heavy duty playing, and for good reason. Playing a lead book involves a lot of muscle work by the large muscles of expiration (and yes, the embouchure muscles, too), and protein is needed to replenish them.
Cheers,
John Mohan _________________ Trumpet Player, Clinician & Teacher
1st Trpt for Cats, Phantom of the Opera, West Side Story, Evita, Hunchback of Notre Dame,
Grease, The Producers, Addams Family, In the Heights, etc.
Ex LA Studio Musician
16 Year Claude Gordon Student |
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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jcstites wrote: | I don't think there is much to this in regards to trumpet playing, as trumpet playing doesn't really require much muscle strength to start with. Two years ago I lost 80 pounds over a period of 4 months, which averaged around 800 calories per day. I didn't notice any negative effects to my trumpet playing in regards to recovery. If anything, it helped my playing, both during and after. |
I think it depends on the type of trumpet playing.
Congratulations on that weight loss - it shows a great deal of self discipline on your part! |
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dkwolfe Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Very simply, yes, calorie intake can affect recovery, and no, you don't need to worry about it.
The embouchure is based on the muscles of the face and facial expression, and they are subject to all of the same properties of use and recovery as any other skeletal muscle. They need to rest and recover just like any other muscle, and they will grow and change in similar ways when practice/playing levels change. So, they need to be treated in the same manor when it comes to recovery; they need the right amounts of protein, carbohydrate and lipid (collectively referred to as macro-nutrients).
Competitive athletes at the highest level still only need about 15-20% protein in their diet to repair the muscle damage done on a daily basis, during the competitive season. Significantly less than 10%, can have disastrous effects on the competitive athlete. So, regardless of whether you are a competitive cyclist, marathoner, swimmer, or trumpet player, you need to provide the necessary macro-nutrients.
You really don't need to worry about it, because if you are eating a balanced diet, or a traditional (protein heavy) western diet, you are getting more than enough to repair any damage.
D _________________ Nullius in Verba. |
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StupidBrassObsession Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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Almost certainly not. It will effect your mental concentration if you aren't used to running on a deficit.
If you're cutting calories you can avoid the concentration issue by keeping you blood sugar stable - IE. Not eating hi-GI, sugary or carbdense foods.
The face .muscles require so little storage glucose to operate or recover that it's a different ball games than large muscle groups
A lot of people who lose weight have problems due to a chane in the amount of facial fat which may require a different Rim and bite or slightly different playing approach. No personal experience on this, just repeating what I've heard and seems cofirmed by the GR mouthpiece questionnaire |
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tim_wolf Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 8:05 am Post subject: |
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I can't prove if this is true, but I read once that Wayne Bergeron lost some weight pretty quickly, and in the process lost some muscle tissue along with body fat. Supposedly, some of this muscle tissue loss was in his chops, and his range was affected.
Maybe someone could confirm whether this is true or not. |
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Jabroni Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 10:04 am Post subject: Awful |
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THIS COULD BE THE WORST THREAD OF 2016!!!!!! WAKE UP |
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Mac Gollehon Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Absolutely diet and exercise and muscle mass ,fat index or lack of of any of these can affect performance,but only by degrees.Other variables that outweigh these physical factors are attitude, wind control and embouchure manipulation. |
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starkadder Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 10:40 am Post subject: Worked for me... |
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I started a new 2200 calorie high-protein diet and now hit double high Cs!
In full disclosure, I also recently changed valve oil brands. |
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Andy Del Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 10:42 am Post subject: |
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This, as some have hinted at, is nuts. If you are loosing so much weight, or gaining, that your facial tissue is effected to quickly you notice th difference in your playing, then something is very very wrong. See a doctor. It may be you are undergoing a medical procedure (think chemo or radiotherapy) and this is reducing your facial tissue. Tumpet is th last thing to worry about at the time...
Normally then, these changes take time. During this time you are playing, working and will in all likelihood compensate for the changes. If you do so little playing that these changes do. Make a difference, then it is the lack of playing that you need to worry about.
Possibly the best thing to do is to try to lives healthy lifestyle, be in shape and then work on your playing, so you do the best possible... And stop using these sort of excuses.
Cheers
Andy _________________ so many horns, so few good notes... |
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homecookin Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 10:43 am Post subject: |
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I heard about a guy who ate Twinkies every day for 6 months,
and he increased his range by an octave. |
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Mac Gollehon Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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Also Viagra could cause range extension |
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EdMann Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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I fattened my tongue up with ding dongs and shoved it to the front of mouth.. not the ding dongs, my tongue.. and viola! |
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Mac Gollehon wrote: | Also Viagra could cause range extension |
There we go - the world can always use more viagra jokes! |
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homecookin Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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There was a VIAGRA truck that was robbed by three HARDENED criminals.
I knew a guy who took a Viagra pill and it got stuck in his throat and his neck got stiff.
If you mix Viagra with Rogaine you get ...Don King !
I knew a guy who bought some Viagra and he decided not to take it so I threw it down the toilet and now the toilet seat stays up.
Thank you ladies and gentleman, I'll be here all week....be sure to tip your waitress. |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: Awful |
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Jabroni wrote: | THIS COULD BE THE WORST THREAD OF 2016!!!!!! WAKE UP |
I doubt it, even if this is the worst to date (which I disagree with), stick around, there will be others.....😳
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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