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markp Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 2815 Location: Coarsegold, CA
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 3:22 pm Post subject: Adjusting the gap--alternative to sleeves? |
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I have a great mouthpiece that is comfortable, gets a great sound, super-responsive, etc.
However, I have a concern about the gap. The silver is worn away down to raw brass on the bottom inch and a half of the mouthpiece--it doesn't seem to seat securely and there are a lot of squirrelly notes that are insecure and tend to crack.
I tried the Paper Trick and BOOM--everything came into focus, the sound got even better and it's almost impossible to crack a note. Clearly a gap problem that could be rectified by sleeves, right?
But this mouthpiece happens to be a Mt. Vernon 3C and I don't want to cut on it. Do you think re-silvering it may add enough to the shank that it would have the same effect as a sleeve?
But I don't even want to mess with the silver on the top part. I'm afraid it will change something in a minor way.
Is it possible to just add silver to the shank to make it seat better in the receiver.
Any other creative thoughts or suggestions?
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jaysonr Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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I've heard that Terry Everson uses scotch tape on his favorite Mt. Vernon 1-1/2C which has the same issue. _________________ Isaiah 40:8
3 John 2 |
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markp Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like a bit better than putting paper on it every time I play, but I'm hoping for a more permanent solution.
But thanks! |
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jaysonr Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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I think he's been doing it for years! _________________ Isaiah 40:8
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homecookin Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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You could call Bob Reeves and he will be able to address your mouthpiece concerns.
Or there are a number of other shops around the country that also make mouthpeces and do work on restoring older mouthpieces. I just mentioned Bob Reeves because that's who I have done business with over a period of many years, in fact he has plated a couple of my mouth pieces, a couple in silver, and one in gold plate. I have always been happy with
his work. I really do not know the answer to your question, but Bob Reeves will. |
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cjl Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 2423 Location: TN
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps this includes building up the shank if necessary? Matt Frost is a mouthpiece whiz.
Rebuild Worn Shank $50
Rebuild your worn trumpet or cornet mouthpiece shank. This service repairs the wear and tear of the shank of your mouthpiece. This service also allows you to customize (specify) the shank end diameter of your mouthpiece - but without the use of an o-ring, which some players find "deadens" the sound.
http://www.frostcustombrass.net/services.html
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9089 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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jaysonr wrote: | I've heard that Terry Everson uses scotch tape on his favorite Mt. Vernon 1-1/2C which has the same issue. |
As an alternative, I and others I know, have used "plumbers tape" on our saxes with good results.
Not the same specific problem, but similar issues, can be compensating for used (worn down) cork on the sax mouthpiece where many wrap paper around the neck to take up the space caused by use.
The plumbers tape doesn't leave the adhesive residue that scotch tape does. Might want to give it a try. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
"I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis." Attributed to Chet
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
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markp Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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homecookin wrote: | You could call Bob Reeves and he will be able to address your mouthpiece concerns.
Or there are a number of other shops around the country that also make mouthpeces and do work on restoring older mouthpieces. I just mentioned Bob Reeves because that's who I have done business with over a period of many years, in fact he has plated a couple of my mouth pieces, a couple in silver, and one in gold plate. I have always been happy with
his work. I really do not know the answer to your question, but Bob Reeves will. |
Yeah, I plan to give them a call next week but am just trying to do some research and inquiry before then. |
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markp Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | jaysonr wrote: | I've heard that Terry Everson uses scotch tape on his favorite Mt. Vernon 1-1/2C which has the same issue. |
As an alternative, I and others I know, have used "plumbers tape" on our saxes with good results.
Not the same specific problem, but similar issues, can be compensating for used (worn down) cork on the sax mouthpiece where many wrap paper around the neck to take up the space caused by use.
The plumbers tape doesn't leave the adhesive residue that scotch tape does. Might want to give it a try. |
Thanks for the advice. I'll give it a try.
I don't give two hoots about cosmetics. Actually, it might be cool to play a set-up relying on bobby pins and chewing gum. |
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american boy Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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Take it (mouthpiece and tpt) to a good tech..You might need a new receiver on the lead pipe which is an easy repair,and you won't have to worry about messing with the mouthpiece.A good tech will be able to know this and recommend options |
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Andy Del Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 2669 Location: sunny Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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1 single layer of magic tape, which removes easily and leave little residue. if that makes the mpc and horn play well, then leave it alone and stay with that. If its only one single trumpet that has the issue, put the tape on the inside of the receiver. My Kanstul 1500A has had that for years and it works a treat. Just replace the tape every year or so...
Cheers
Andy _________________ so many horns, so few good notes... |
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