Adams. Heard good things about the horns, just didn't work for me _________________ James Daniel Newcomb
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Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 2827 Location: Littleton, MA
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 5:31 am Post subject:
ProAm wrote:
Moral -- what may seem like slight or insignificant damage can make a HUGE impact on the playing of any horn.
+1
Yes, it's astounding how attention to detail can transform an otherwise bad playing trumpet into a good one. Your story is proof positive that damage and stress kill response and is also a testament to Clifford's insight and skill. _________________ James Becker
Brass Repair Specialist Since 1977
Osmun Music Inc.
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Acton, MA 01720
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Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 7023 Location: South Alabama
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:59 am Post subject:
NYC-player wrote:
Anything modern Bach. 1970s and forward
+1, and I'm not the only one.
I spent a lot of money I didn't have to spare at the time, because two private instructors said I would never get anywhere until I got a Bach Strad. I was playing a Conn cornet at the time and could make it anything I wanted it to be, and won two scholarships on that cornet.
The next two years were agony for me, fought it every step of the way. I eventually gave up completely and put it in the case until I sold it.
My bandmate said his playing really didn't take off until he switched to a Xeno and got rid of his Bach.
I know they work great for some, just not for everyone. _________________ Since all other motives—fame, money, power, even honor—are thrown out the window the moment I pick up that instrument..... I play because I love doing it, even when the results are disappointing. In short, I do it to do it.” Wayne Booth
Joined: 30 Oct 2012 Posts: 1838 Location: Austin/New York City
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:06 am Post subject:
NYC-player wrote:
scipioap wrote:
NYC-player wrote:
Those heavy horns, all the extra bracing and arbitrary sheets of brass..the 90s and early 2000s were weird. Such an odd fad with all the heavy and raw brass horns.
somebody's pet hate (British & Australian) also somebody's pet peeve (American)
something that you do not like at all A pet hate of ours is telephone salesmen who phone just as we're sitting down to watch TV. Cleaning the bathroom is my pet peeve.
Take care
Lou
Stop giving away the secrets Me old china plate! How else can we bamboozle and confuse the rebels when we're on the frog and toad over the pond?
And, FWIW, anything Sovereign, just anything is so stuffy and bleatingly unpleasant to play I'd have to put them above Bachs in my pet hates...
Cheers
Andy _________________ so many horns, so few good notes...
I played a Monette once and didn't really like it. The lower register felt weird and I didn't like the way it centered notes. But, I only played it for about a minute.
Other than that, I haven't gotten the chance to try any other really expensive horns.
somebody's pet hate (British & Australian) also somebody's pet peeve (American)
something that you do not like at all A pet hate of ours is telephone salesmen who phone just as we're sitting down to watch TV. Cleaning the bathroom is my pet peeve.
Take care
Lou
Stop giving away the secrets Me old china plate! How else can we bamboozle and confuse the rebels when we're on the frog and toad over the pond?
And, FWIW, anything Sovereign, just anything is so stuffy and bleatingly unpleasant to play I'd have to put them above Bachs in my pet hates...
Cheers
Andy
No wukkas Andy, those Seppo galahs wouldn't have the nouse to ken what we're sayin.
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 10609 Location: The land of GR and Getzen
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:04 pm Post subject:
spitvalve wrote:
I have a personal policy of not play-testing horns I can't afford, because if I like an expensive horn I will hate my horn and blame it for all of my playing problems. I made that mistake a few years back when I got to blow a few notes on a Blackburn C and compare it to my Bach Strad C. I was never happy with my C trumpet after that and ended up selling it when I needed money and got a decent offer, but never replaced it because I knew something better was going to cost more.
I have a Bach LR180 Bb that I'm relatively satisfied with--it plays all the notes and has a nice response and good sound with just a few intonation quirks. I know there are better horns and I aspire to have a better horn, but until the money fairy comes to my house, waves a magic wand and says "go test some expensive horns so you can hate your Bach and replace it," I will make do with what I have. Looking forward to the day I can diss my Bach.
You cannot possibly be a trumpet player, as this is entirely too practical.
Lots of pros have "made do with (the imperfect but functional Bach) they have."
somebody's pet hate (British & Australian) also somebody's pet peeve (American)
something that you do not like at all A pet hate of ours is telephone salesmen who phone just as we're sitting down to watch TV. Cleaning the bathroom is my pet peeve.
Take care
Lou
I think hating pets might be more fun though (I don't know, I've never tried)
Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 3118 Location: The Netherlands
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:57 am Post subject:
Mike Sailors wrote:
NYC-player wrote:
scipioap wrote:
NYC-player wrote:
Those heavy horns, all the extra bracing and arbitrary sheets of brass..the 90s and early 2000s were weird. Such an odd fad with all the heavy and raw brass horns.
There's a butt for every saddle I guess. No wonder Monette's delivery takes so long. Those project horns have to take forever to get done.
ps I made it through about half of that video before fatal boredom was setting in.
Thanks for posting that. Not really into monette stuff, but it's great to see Lew in there.
He is truly missed.
I agree, love to see real craftsmanship. Maybe this is a horn primarely for the lookings but even then.
BTW I am not a fan of the sound of the heavy trumperts in general, Monette included.
Those heavy horns, all the extra bracing and arbitrary sheets of brass..the 90s and early 2000s were weird. Such an odd fad with all the heavy and raw brass horns.
There's a butt for every saddle I guess. No wonder Monette's delivery takes so long. Those project horns have to take forever to get done.
ps I made it through about half of that video before fatal boredom was setting in.
Thanks for posting that. Not really into monette stuff, but it's great to see Lew in there.
He is truly missed.
I agree, love to see real craftsmanship. Maybe this is a horn primarely for the lookings but even then.
BTW I am not a fan of the sound of the heavy trumperts in general, Monette included.
At least some of the folks who have them actually use them. When I played with Charlie a few years back he was actually playing on his fancy decorated horn, even in rehearsal.
I tried a used Selmer Chorus 80J that was pricey, but was pretty and had a nice sound. I thought I'd keep an eye out for a good deal on one. Well, a while later I had a conversation with a well-known player who had played one- but didn't any longer. One day he opened up the case to discover the braces had all popped off. I think he had been supplied several by Selmer, and he ended up giving them away. The lacquer ones I've seen on the used market look like the finish doesn't hold up, either.
somebody's pet hate (British & Australian) also somebody's pet peeve (American)
something that you do not like at all A pet hate of ours is telephone salesmen who phone just as we're sitting down to watch TV. Cleaning the bathroom is my pet peeve.
Take care
Lou
Stop giving away the secrets Me old china plate! How else can we bamboozle and confuse the rebels when we're on the frog and toad over the pond?
Hi Andy
And, FWIW, anything Sovereign, just anything is so stuffy and bleatingly unpleasant to play I'd have to put them above Bachs in my pet hates...
I understand. The Sovereign cornet is my pet hate, but I haven't played any of the other Sovereign instruments.
I better not say anything negative about Besson overall or I may get lynched by UK Brass Banders. I have the only Yamaha cornet in the cornet section of my brass band (even my colleague originally from Japan plays a Besson Sovereign) and no one has noticed yet .
Seriously, I'm sure no one will care. Some of the other instruments in the band are Yamaha.
Cheers
Andy
Take Care
Lou
_________________ Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs
somebody's pet hate (British & Australian) also somebody's pet peeve (American)
something that you do not like at all A pet hate of ours is telephone salesmen who phone just as we're sitting down to watch TV. Cleaning the bathroom is my pet peeve.
Take care
Lou
I think hating pets might be more fun though (I don't know, I've never tried)
Hi razeontherock
I've never tried hating pets either, although there are many animals that I wouldn't fancy owning as a pet. I own just a cat, who I'm very fond of, so I reckon she's safe from being hated
Take Care
Lou _________________ Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:36 pm Post subject: Trumpets Not impressed with
@ Onlyson . . . I agree with your sentiments "exactly" I was attending a Brass / Woodwind conference at Berklee College of Music (many moons ago) probably somewhere between 1994-99 and James Becker was there representing Osmun Brass (Now Osmun Music). They had several horns on display. At the time I owned 2 Bb Trumpets 1.) Yamaha YTR-6345 Rose Brass Bell and a Bach Strad 180S R25 (reveresed lead pipe) I had the Yamaha since 1988 and loved playing Lead on it, and The Bach was more like (Meh . . .) Jim had taken a Silver plated Bach medium large Bore Bb Trumpet and worked his magic on this instrument, I think it was a Valve alignent, Bell Bow tweak, brass valve guides, maybe a mouthpipe gap adjustment or whatever else he may have done to tweak this instrument up. I swear to God almighty . . . .when I played the thing, (it felt like Buttah) coming out the end of the bell (To quote Barbara Streisand). I was thinking, Holy Crap, I need to buy this NOW, But my rationale brain side was saying, "Do it, and you'll be sleeping in the garage for a month once your wife finds out . . . ." I wound up hesitating. . . about a week later I drove out to the shop $$$ Cash in hand . . . I walked into the shop and it was either Tim Cote or Jim becker that said . . . "Oh, you mean THAT Bach?, yeah, some guy came in just the other day, play tested it . . . and Grabbed it . . . ." I was in a serious depression for what seemed like a month . . . . The Moral of this story: Yes my friends, if you do come across that "One Special Sounding Horn" by all means grab it, and don't let go . . . _________________ "Life Beats down and CRUSHES the soul, and Art reminds you that you have one" Stella Adler
"Music washes away the Dust of Everyday Life"
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The Moral of this story: Yes my friends, if you do come across that "One Special Sounding Horn" by all means grab it, and don't let go . . .