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| Clearly you just need to take a week vacation in Massachusetts. Drop your horn off on day 1 and let Mr. Becker start work on it. Spend the week touring Boston and the surrounding countryside. Check in every day or two to evaluate the progress/give feedback and by the end of your stay you can return home with a Bach 37 that plays as well as it possibly can. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| ProAm wrote: | | Clearly you just need to take a week vacation in Massachusetts. Drop your horn off on day 1 and let Mr. Becker start work on it. Spend the week touring Boston and the surrounding countryside. Check in every day or two to evaluate the progress/give feedback and by the end of your stay you can return home with a Bach 37 that plays as well as it possibly can. |
Sounds great. I wish that I had a passport and the money for the plane tickets and accommodation. I reckon that it may be cheaper but a lot less fun to buy an already blueprinted horn.
Take Care
Lou
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I had the same problem with the dump slide on my Strad when I first got it from the factory. I sent it back to Bach, and they slightly expanded the tubing of the dump slide to stop it from coming out on it's own. I've never had another problem with it since. I don't know if your horn is still under warrenty or not, but I'm sure any competent tech could do this for you.
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Louise Finch
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| Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| JohnBandMan wrote: | | I had the same problem with the dump slide on my Strad when I first got it from the factory. I sent it back to Bach, and they slightly expanded the tubing of the dump slide to stop it from coming out on it's own. I've never had another problem with it since. I don't know if your horn is still under warrenty or not, but I'm sure any competent tech could do this for you. |
Hi JohnBandMan
No, mine's not under warranty as it was made in 1979.
I agree that any competent tech could sort the third slide, but as I want the others things looked at, I'm looking for a tech as James Becker describes, a specialist that caters to professional and serious amateur players, me definitely being the latter.
Take Care
Lou
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Louise Finch
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Hi
A small update. I've had my trumpet out and thought that I'd try it on some quick stuff (Cleopatra). The first valve not only kept sticking on the upstroke, but the valve guide kept coming out of the slot. Definitely something wrong.
I've checked the nut on the head of the waterkey spring. It does turn by hand, so it will be possible to experiment with this at home.
Take Care
Lou
Edit. I've been thinking about this valve coming out of the slot. It has been doing it for sometime (the second valve has also done this, but not today), but less since I had the valves aligned. This was my initial reason I now remember for swapping my original metal valve guides to modern plastic ones, presuming the metal ones to be worn. Maybe the original metal ones were worn and the new plastic Bach replacements are a poor fit. Maybe this is just a sign of valves which are overall too loose. I don't know, only that it can't be right.
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Paul Tomashefsky
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Dear Louise,
@ what ProAm stated, via visiting Boston and handing over the "Coil of Torture" over to Jim Becker. That being said, and the fact that you live "across the pond", as they say, you may just want to drop him an e-mail and describe what issues you're having and maybe he can give you a phone consult, regarding what a Brass tech can do for you over in your neck of the woods! Good Luck! 
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| Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:45 am Post subject: |
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| Paul Tomashefsky wrote: | Dear Louise,
@ what ProAm stated, via visiting Boston and handing over the "Coil of Torture" over to Jim Becker. That being said, and the fact that you live "across the pond", as they say, you may just want to drop him an e-mail and describe what issues you're having and maybe he can give you a phone consult, regarding what a Brass tech can do for you over in your neck of the woods! Good Luck! |
Dear Paul
Thank you very much. I'd love to visit Boston, but not only do I not have a passport, I couldn't possibly afford the plane ticket or at the very least it would take the funds I have put aside to sort my trumpet.
I have emailed Jim Becker via his trumpet herald profile, and I am waiting for a response.
Take Care
Lou
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James Becker
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Lou, I haven't seen any messages from you in my TH PM inbox, and I cannot speculate what needs doing without having your trumpet here to inspect.
Your best bet is to make an appointment or leave your trumpet with Will Spencer and let him sort it out (see link) http://www.willspencer.org/services.php We absolutely love his PTFE formula valve oil (aka Dennis Wick), it provides great results!
The only other brass repair persons I know in the UK are Horn specialists and I doubt they'd be interested in servicing trumpets.
I hope this is helpful.
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Louise Finch
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| James Becker wrote: | Lou, I haven't seen any messages from you in my TH PM inbox, and I cannot speculate what needs doing without having your trumpet here to inspect.
Hi James
That's odd. I clicked on the email icon at the bottom of one of your posts rather than PM. I'll re-send it to you via a PM. I do fully understand how that you cannot speculate what needs doing, but if it would be possible to give me a ballpark figure, I can at least decide whether it is worth having done/I can afford it at this time.
Your best bet is to make an appointment or leave your trumpet with Will Spencer and let him sort it out (see link) http://www.willspencer.org/services.php
Thank you very much. I have previously taken my trumpet to Will Spencer but I don't really think that he wants to do it. He said, "Re your hooter. I must confess, I am getting fed up with doing valve jobs, especially as the plater keeps goofing up", and offered to instead custom build me a trumpet. He probably would be happy to repair mine if I asked, but I don't really want to feel that I am forcing someone to work on my trumpet against their choice.
I'm basically looking for a good tech who is interested in working with me to sort my trumpet, and with whom I can build a good working relationship, and use for all my servicing and repair needs in the future. Maybe I have a fairly long list of things I'm looking to sort, but since I am planning on paying the tech to do the work lol, I am hoping that it won't be a problem, and they can always advise against having things done that are not cost effective or viable.
The only other brass repair persons I know in the UK are Horn specialists and I doubt they'd be interested in servicing trumpets.
I understand, thanks.
I hope this is helpful.
It is, thanks. I'll send you a PM, and if you don't mind, will you please give me your honest opinion on whether what I am looking to do sounds reasonable and viable.
Many Thanks
Lou |
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Louise Finch
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| James Becker wrote: | | Lou, I haven't seen any messages from you in my TH PM inbox |
Hi James
PM now sent.
Best wishes
Lou
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Martinharris
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| Throw it away and get a decent horn |
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| Martinharris wrote: | | Throw it away and get a decent horn |
Martin
What makes you think that it is not a decent horn? Have you seen it, played it or assessed its condition?
The new price in the UK for a Bach Strad is £2422. Leigh now charges £600 for the scratch gold plate finish which my Bach has.
Obviously my Bach is not worth anywhere near the combination of these two values, but it still must have a reasonable second hand value, especially as the finish is still like it was when Leigh refinished it.
It is from 1979, has been well played and just needs some tlc.
There probably comes a point where the repairs are not financially viable, but I have not yet been advised of this by a good tech.
Whatever the repair bill, I have no intention of throwing away a pro trumpet.
Maybe you are joking, but with no smileys or other indication, I am responding to your post as written, which to me reads as rude, unthoughtful, and was therefore not appreciated.
Lou
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I like my '79 Bach 37 better than any other Bb trumpet that I have owned or tried which includes Mt Vernon Bach, Selmer, Kanstul, Benge, and etc. - even Blackburn and Monette.
Of course, this is my opinion which is what horn preferences are. No horn is objectively "better" than another.
I do like my Blackburn C better than my '79 Bach C, though.
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| John Mohan wrote: | | Louise Finch wrote: | | Ideas of things to do to my Bach 37 trumpet[?] |
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And on top of the waste, it's a damned ugly source of poor lighting !
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| Louise Finch wrote: | | Martinharris wrote: | | Throw it away and get a decent horn |
Martin
What makes you think that it is not a decent horn? Have you seen it, played it or assessed its condition?
The new price in the UK for a Bach Strad is £2422. Leigh now charges £600 for the scratch gold plate finish which my Bach has.
Obviously my Bach is not worth anywhere near the combination of these two values, but it still must have a reasonable second hand value, especially as the finish is still like it was when Leigh refinished it.
It is from 1979, has been well played and just needs some tlc.
There probably comes a point where the repairs are not financially viable, but I have not yet been advised of this by a good tech.
Whatever the repair bill, I have no intention of throwing away a pro trumpet.
Maybe you are joking, but with no smileys or other indication, I am responding to your post as written, which to me reads as rude, unthoughtful, and was therefore not appreciated.
Lou |
Hello Lo,
Are you not feeling remiss for your honest though likely misguided ire reacting to the boor that 'suggested' you throw away your valuable , desirable , and frankly beautiful Bach.
His statement was mirthless, I agree...but does that merit an understanding that the stupidity of the source was not in itself an honest attempt albeit hampered by a condition of which we are not aware of? Who knows, as it may simply be that acceptable/normal social intercourse is not within his conceptual grasp.
(Long shot mind you....) BTW, It seems to me that if you seek it, a very fine workshop/tradesman can be found, considering that you have the greater European community to shop within by transits with horn in hand. Best of luck to you Lou. I am not in your shoes, but had I your trumpet I would bring it to 100% play to match your stated 100% cosmetic condition. End value would be higher than purchase costs.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| cjl wrote: | I like my '79 Bach 37 better than any other Bb trumpet that I have owned or tried which includes Mt Vernon Bach, Selmer, Kanstul, Benge, and etc. - even Blackburn and Monette.
Of course, this is my opinion which is what horn preferences are. No horn is objectively "better" than another.
I do like my Blackburn C better than my '79 Bach C, though.
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Hi Joe
Thank you. You presumably would be willing to pay for a valve rebuild etc. for your trumpet, if/when it became necessary, since you like it better than any others you have played.
I really like my 1979 Bach 37, but then I'm rather fond of my Xeno.
Take Care
Lou
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Louise Finch
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| joe1joey wrote: | | Louise Finch wrote: | | Martinharris wrote: | | Throw it away and get a decent horn |
Martin
What makes you think that it is not a decent horn? Have you seen it, played it or assessed its condition?
The new price in the UK for a Bach Strad is £2422. Leigh now charges £600 for the scratch gold plate finish which my Bach has.
Obviously my Bach is not worth anywhere near the combination of these two values, but it still must have a reasonable second hand value, especially as the finish is still like it was when Leigh refinished it.
It is from 1979, has been well played and just needs some tlc.
There probably comes a point where the repairs are not financially viable, but I have not yet been advised of this by a good tech.
Whatever the repair bill, I have no intention of throwing away a pro trumpet.
Maybe you are joking, but with no smileys or other indication, I am responding to your post as written, which to me reads as rude, unthoughtful, and was therefore not appreciated.
Lou |
Hello Lo,
Are you not feeling remiss for your honest though likely misguided ire reacting to the boor that 'suggested' you throw away your valuable , desirable , and frankly beautiful Bach.
Hi joe1joey
No, I'm not feeling remiss to be honest, and I don't think that I should. I try my best to be friendly and polite on here, and even when I have something negative to say, I try not to be nasty.
I was honestly pretty offended by his remark. I've saved a bit of money, and was looking forward to having an old friend restored. I can't believe how difficult it is turning out to be, and it is starting to get me down.
His statement was mirthless, I agree...but does that merit an understanding that the stupidity of the source was not in itself an honest attempt albeit hampered by a condition of which we are not aware of? Who knows, as it may simply be that acceptable/normal social intercourse is not within his conceptual grasp. (Long shot mind you....)
I really don't know. I could see his point if I was talking about having one of those cheap ebay horns restored that are little more than a trumpet shaped object, but even so it could have been made more tactfully.
BTW, It seems to me that if you seek it, a very fine workshop/tradesman can be found, considering that you have the greater European community to shop within by transits with horn in hand.
I'm not sure about that, but thank you. I haven't a passport at the moment so travel out of the UK is not possible. I'm however not sure whether us Brits would currently be overly welcome in Europe at the moment anyhow, but there surely should be fine tradesmen in the UK.
Best of luck to you Lou.
Thank you very much.
I am not in your shoes, but had I your trumpet I would bring it to 100% play to match your stated 100% cosmetic condition. End value would be higher than purchase costs.
Thank you. If it does require a valve rebuild, I reckon that the cost would be equivalent to around $1000 for everything. This is probably cheaper than buying another used Bach 37 in equivalent condition but without valve problems, but I very much doubt that if I was to have it repaired and then sell it, that it would sell for $1000 more than in its present condition, or to put it another way, I don't think that the work would add $1000 dollars to the value, but I'm not bothered about that.
Take Care
Lou
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Dale Proctor
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Some people just don't like Bachs, Lou. Best advice is to let that stuff roll off you like water on a duck's back... 
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| Dale Proctor wrote: | | Some people just don't like Bachs, Lou. Best advice is to let that stuff roll off you like water on a duck's back... |
Hi Dale
Thanks very much.
Take care
Lou
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| Dale Proctor wrote: | | Some people just don't like Bachs, Lou. Best advice is to let that stuff roll off you like water on a duck's back... |
Yeah.
I'm no big Bach fan and I'd still never say "throw it away." It's been your steady horn for years, even if it isn't now.
I've got my old Yamaha 6335 sitting around. Plays nicely, but the valves are kinda crap. With the right oil, they work fine. Still, I mostly play my other horns nowadays because, I don't know, because I do. I'd never sell my Yamaha, though - especially considering it's modest value and the issues I'd be passing along. Also, that horn got me though High School, a college music degree, and lots of playing afterwards. Maybe someday I'll get the valves redone, even though it's a bad investment. Eh, that's how it goes.
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