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Doc's smooth F - G trill. How does he do it?



 
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Robert P
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:20 pm    Post subject: Doc's smooth F - G trill. How does he do it? Reply with quote

Doc's superb 60's studio recording of Granada. That F - G trill he does at :29 is so lyrical and clean. Anyone have any insight as to whether he's using an alternate fingering or just 1st - open? Can anyone reading this do it like he's doing it?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure he's fingering it. And yes, I can do that (but rest assured, Doc's overall playing level is several orders of magnitude higher than mine).
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, he's playing the trill with the regular fingerings. No tricks. F/G trills aren't particularly difficult. But, of course, it's Doc we're talking about so it's always going to be many levels above us mortals.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sound....golden butter...

Anyone have any idea who the usual roundup of band musicians were for these recordings?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trumpet - Ernie Royal, Bernie Glow, Marky Markowitz, Jimmy Maxwell, Mel Davis

Trombone - Urbie Green, Frank Rehak, Bobby Byrne, Bob Alexander, Dick Hixon

Saxophone - Hank Freeman, Al Klink, Bill Slapin, Walt Lewinsky, Phil Bodner, Stanley Webb

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that whole record is killing!

and dig those bongos maaaaaan. far out!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomba51 wrote:
Trumpet - Ernie Royal, Bernie Glow, Marky Markowitz, Jimmy Maxwell, Mel Davis

Trombone - Urbie Green, Frank Rehak, Bobby Byrne, Bob Alexander, Dick Hixon

Saxophone - Hank Freeman, Al Klink, Bill Slapin, Walt Lewinsky, Phil Bodner, Stanley Webb

Rhythm - Guitar, Tony Mattola, Bass, Bob Haggart, Drums, Don Lamond

So no good players were available for that session???
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Mohan wrote:
And yes, I can do that

Care to put up a SoundCloud example? In the context of the particular phrase Doc is doing would be ideal. Not hard to work out the phrase, however I find doing the trill extremely difficult.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, this really takes me back. Haven't heard that in years, although the record is probably still in my parents' house somewhere. My father was a huge Doc fan (along with a lot of other trumpet and cornet players) and I listened to all of his records all the time as a kid.

What's most amazing to me is how great his sound still is today. There's something about the sound coming out of the bell that nobody else seems to be able to do. If you could bottle that, it would be the best selling snake oil of all time.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RandyTX wrote:
What's most amazing to me is how great his sound still is today. There's something about the sound coming out of the bell that nobody else seems to be able to do.

Yup. Though these days his technical facility is severely limited and he no longer has the screaming range, he still has that "Doc" sound.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my Bb and Eb I do 1-1/3 for F/G trills. Easy for me and the horn, but harder for other people. I don't remember what I do on my other horns, but learning alternate fingerings can help you navigate trickier passages.
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