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Bryant Jordan Veteran Member
Joined: 16 Aug 2015 Posts: 410 Location: Utah, USA
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:36 pm Post subject: First Piccolo Trumpet |
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Hi all. I'm looking to purchase my first ever piccolo trumpet. What would you recommend? Best quality for the price? I'm looking in the range of 500 (more or less). I know those used Getzen Eterna 4 valves Piccolos are decent...Oh, and any words of wisdom on playing piccolo trumpet are certainly welcomed and received! |
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royjohn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 2272 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Bill Jones sells a customized version of a decent picc from China, kind of like the Dillon offering. You can reach Bill at <info@brasschambermusic.com>. IDK what the current price of these is. Bill is also a good one for advice and will not steer you wrong for a sale.
I played one of Bill's piccs a few years ago and A-B'ed it with a Schilke P5-4 and it played nearly as well as the Schilke, which was a tad warmer.
Picc is a real PITA, though. Haven't you got anything else to do? Flugel? Cornet? C trumpet? Ready to do weddings? Then it's useful. _________________ royjohn
Trumpets: 1928 Holton Llewellyn Model, 1957 Holton 51LB, 2010 Custom C by Bill Jones, 2011 Custom D/Eb by Bill Jones
Flugels: 1975 Olds Superstar, 1970's Elkhardt, 1970's Getzen 4 valve
Cornet: 1970's Yamaha YCR-233S . . . and others . . . |
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Feb 2013 Posts: 2596
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 2:04 am Post subject: |
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A condensed version of the PM I just sent - keep your eye out for a good condition used Getzen Eterna 4-valve. I got mine for under $600 on Ebay, I've seen them go for under $500. Probably the best bang/buck you're going to find. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
King Silver Flair
Besson 1000
Bundy
Chinese C
Getzen Eterna Bb/A piccolo
Chinese Rotary Bb/A piccolo
Chinese Flugel |
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Dayton Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Mar 2013 Posts: 2047 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:16 am Post subject: |
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The Getzen Eterna 4-valve piccolo trumpet is a really nice horn. I purchased one and played it throughout my college years. You'll need to be patient if you want to find a used one in your price range. I'd say that you are more likely to find them closer to $1,000 and up (and considerably higher for more popular models from Bach, Schilke, Yamaha).
Worth noting that the older Getzen Eternas had cornet shank leadpipes. Not sure when they switched to trumpet shank leadpipes, but if you get an older model Eterna you may need to purchase a cornet mouthpiece to use with the picc.
Good luck! |
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 2416 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:19 am Post subject: |
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Dayton wrote: | The Getzen Eterna 4-valve piccolo trumpet is a really nice horn. I purchased one and played it throughout my college years. You'll need to be patient if you want to find a used one in your price range |
+1
I have a Getzen Eterna 4-valve picc, which I purchased used about 7 years ago in like-new condition for $500. For an occasional picc player like myself, I find the Getzen works great. I find the trumpet-shank leadpipes area easier to play in tune, compared to the cornet-shank leadpipes. The newer models come standard with Blackburn leadpipes, which are suppose to be even better.
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns. |
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Bryant Jordan Veteran Member
Joined: 16 Aug 2015 Posts: 410 Location: Utah, USA
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Great. Thanks for the advice. I'll keep an eye out. |
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Feb 2013 Posts: 2596
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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As a reference point mine is SN BP4XXX and has trumpet shank leadpipes. Mine came with a Najoom A and Getzen Bb pipe. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
King Silver Flair
Besson 1000
Bundy
Chinese C
Getzen Eterna Bb/A piccolo
Chinese Rotary Bb/A piccolo
Chinese Flugel |
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 12664 Location: Gardena, Ca
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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Robert,
What music have you performed your pic? |
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Feb 2013 Posts: 2596
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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LittleRusty wrote: | Robert,
What music have you performed your pic? |
Me?
Performed or worked on? I haven't performed anything in public as of this time. I got a picc because I'd never played one and wanted to try it.
I've worked on the Telemann a bit, Penny Lane, the Reiche Abblasen, scales and other calisthenics. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
King Silver Flair
Besson 1000
Bundy
Chinese C
Getzen Eterna Bb/A piccolo
Chinese Rotary Bb/A piccolo
Chinese Flugel |
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Turkle Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Apr 2008 Posts: 2450 Location: New York City
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Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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My first piccolo is a B&S stencil. I play the Curry 3P. cornet mouthpiece with a trumpet/cornet adapter, as the horn only came with trumpet leadpipes.
I bought it about 3 months ago in order to play James Stephenson's "Vignettes." There's a lively little movement for piccolo and tambourine (!) called "My Dinner With Andre."
I found the above combination extremely easy to play. I don't play a lot of piccolo, but I have personally found this one as easy as picking up any of my other trumpets. I paid $1100 for the pic. Everyone loved our performance.
(It's lucky for me that the piece tops out at an E, because I really haven't figured out how to nail the F on that horn yet...) _________________ Yamaha 8310Z trumpet
Yamaha 8310Z flugel
Curry 3. |
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Feb 2013 Posts: 2596
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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You had asked about the cheap Chinese Schiller rotary piccs. As it happens one of the TH users Gordon Hudson has a number of videos up on Youtube of him playing what's essentially the Schiller rotary picc under a different name. The audio quality isn't superb but it gives you an idea. Obviously Gordon is a fairly advanced player.
https://www.youtube.com/user/hostroute/search?query=Piccolo+ _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
King Silver Flair
Besson 1000
Bundy
Chinese C
Getzen Eterna Bb/A piccolo
Chinese Rotary Bb/A piccolo
Chinese Flugel |
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ravel Veteran Member
Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 127
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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get an old seller Bb/A. Pay whatever it takes to restore it to new. You'll have a horn that's better than anything sold today new...... |
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trumpetmike Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Posts: 11315 Location: Ash (an even smaller place ), UK
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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 7:27 am Post subject: |
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If you can find a Getzen at the right price - go for it.
Did my first Brandenburg on a (borrowed) Getzen and it brings back many happy memories every time I see one.
As for tips on piccolo - don't use Brandenburg as your first piccolo piece (only a fool would do that, as I did, lol).
Use familiar exercises and get to know the instrument, just as you would with a new Bb/C or whatever.
Don't spend too long on piccolo each session (10 minute bursts are good).
Don't use piccolo for "range-extension" exercises - build range on the bigger instruments and then the piccolo will be much easier.
Think of a piccolo as a floating instrument, not a power one - you don't use a piccolo to obliterate an ensemble, you just float on top and sound pretty |
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etc-etc Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 9:44 am Post subject: |
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ravel wrote: | get an old seller Bb/A. Pay whatever it takes to restore it to new. You'll have a horn that's better than anything sold today new...... |
Seller? Selmer? |
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