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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:30 pm    Post subject: Nose Breathing Reply with quote

Nose breathing is a practice for developing an embouchure in a more closed position.
Cat Anderson is an ideal example of this practice.
Caruso's 6 note exercise is ideal for this purpose.
Take a full comfortable breath through the nose thinking the sound "O".
Release the air thinking the sound "Hoo".
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goes well with high notes!

"Hm, wut's dis on my horn ... looks like a booger but it'snot.... wait... it is".
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:32 am    Post subject: Nose Breath Reply with quote

This is a very good technique for lead jazzers too.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is average time when facial muscles stop hurting using Caruso method?
I am playing trumpet for 15 years. Recently I started with Caruso 6 notes and intervals (2nds, 3rds, 4ths, 5ths) after warmup. After 6 notes + one of intervals I feel so drained. It also hurts quality of my tone.

Should I practise Caruso as warm up? Or maybe later?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MasaKrisT.wc1 wrote:
What is average time when facial muscles stop hurting using Caruso method?
I am playing trumpet for 15 years. Recently I started with Caruso 6 notes and intervals (2nds, 3rds, 4ths, 5ths) after warmup. After 6 notes + one of intervals I feel so drained. It also hurts quality of my tone.

Should I practise Caruso as warm up? Or maybe later?


There is an entire forum here on TH devoted to Caruso's teaching. Go there and read all of the sticky posts, starting with the one titled "Getting Started."
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Nose Breathing Reply with quote

Arjuna wrote:
Nose breathing is a practice for developing an embouchure in a more closed position.


Nose breathing is my bad habit. Stop breathing through your nose!

[Moderators: Bad language deleted. Note your bad habit may be somebody else's good habit. A number of excellent players incorporate nose breathing into their practice and/or performance.]
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: Nose Breathing Reply with quote

1jazzyalex wrote:
Arjuna wrote:
Nose breathing is a practice for developing an embouchure in a more closed position.


Nose breathing is my bad habit. Stop breathing through your nose, *****!


I think this needs to be deleted. Moderators??
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:20 am    Post subject: Re: Nose Breathing Reply with quote

tim_wolf wrote:
1jazzyalex wrote:
Arjuna wrote:
Nose breathing is a practice for developing an embouchure in a more closed position.


Nose breathing is my bad habit. Stop breathing through your nose!


I think this needs to be deleted. Moderators??


Ok maybe a bad choice of words but, I concure.
Nose breathing = a good tool for very specific situations done by accomplished players (not for beginners or developing players) - a quick breath playing high notes, lead or picc but opens the door for a lot of "bad" habits for the big picture of playing. But I can also argue that a quick mouth breath can be done comparable in quickness and in no loss of high note chop/tongue posture.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I often breathe through my nose doing my Stamp warm up routine and I also use a certain amount of circular breathing if I'm getting into some sort of trouble during a long phrase in performance (also nose breathing of a sort), but so long as one is breathing from the corner(s) of the mouth; outside of the mouthpiece placement area; it's nbd to snatch a breath without disturbing the embouchure set. As to my own breathing: there is no question I can take in more breath in a quick, normal mouth corner inhale than when breathing through my nose. But, as in various forms of articulation initiations, an accomplished player should explore as many options as possible and then know when to use what. And that comes from years of experience in many genre settings, not from internet posting... Good luck!

And crying for the mods to come delete a thread because someone makes an immature statement?? You need to return to Sesame Street, pal.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never heard of anyone advocating nose breathing in a musical situation, only in "clinical practice" of certain kinds of exercises.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my book in 1991 Embouchure Update (Charles Colin Publications)I discussed the quick take which could be considered as an alternative breathing maneuver applied to some circumstances.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was taught that nose breathing is a terrible thing, and that I should never, ever do it. So I didn't, for years. Decades, actually.

Then I read a tip that it's quite useful if you need a quick sniff of air when there isn't time for a normal breath. Since then, I've found this to be quite useful at times.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:20 am    Post subject: Re: Nose Breathing Reply with quote

Arjuna wrote:
Nose breathing is a practice for developing an embouchure in a more closed position.


Wow...

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PH wrote:
I've never heard of anyone advocating nose breathing in a musical situation, only in "clinical practice" of certain kinds of exercises.


From what I've read here and elsewhere (not personal experience, though), I believe that David Krauss uses nose breaths in actual performance. It doesn't seem to be doing his playing any harm!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I know some players do it in performance (do not remember who said it, was at ITG a number of years ago), the most obvious and yet rare performance application is circular breathing. The comment I recall from that ITG class was that some folk nose-breath in performance because they do not want to upset their embouchure for a quick breath. Some advocate breathing from the side of the mouth in that situation. As usual, no right answer, just the challenge in finding the best approach for each of us (or maybe just me).
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derek Reaban would be able to comment in more depth, but I believe that David Krauss's approach is modelled on singers, with the attendant view that nose breathing puts the air in a better "place" for singing/playing.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe we can have a dedicated section of the trumpet herald, just for poetry, and hit and run haikus and musings?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve A wrote:
From what I've read here and elsewhere (not personal experience, though), I believe that David Krauss uses nose breaths in actual performance.

That's interesting. I'm going to see Mr. Krauss give a clinic and concert this Saturday. I'm looking forward to it!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Then I read a tip that it's quite useful if you need a quick sniff of air when there isn't time for a normal breath.


If there is time for a normal breath there is time for a breath with the nose. And you can't get more "normal" than a nose inhalation.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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kalijah wrote:
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Then I read a tip that it's quite useful if you need a quick sniff of air when there isn't time for a normal breath.


If there is time for a normal breath there is time for a breath with the nose. And you can't get more "normal" than a nose inhalation.
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