Warburton backbores for piccolo trumpet with cornet shank?

[GordonH]

I love my existing piccolo mouthpiece, but I might have to change to an instrument that uses cornet shank. I had a look at the Warburton system and I see people recommending an 8* or 10* for piccolo trumpet. I don't see the star backbores in a cornet version. I do see special backbores for Schilke piccolo trumpet which presumably means ones that go further in. These might bottom out on a non Schilke instrument.

Has anyone worked this out previously?
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Bb - Scherzer 8218W, Schilke S22, Bach 43, Selmer 19A Balanced
Pic - Weril
Flugel - Courtois 154
Cornet - Geneva Heritage, Conn 28A
Mouthpieces - Monette 1-5 rims and similar.

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[GordonH]

I take it back. Phil Parker have star cornet backbores.

Still, the question is 8* or 10* or the special Schilke ones?
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Bb - Scherzer 8218W, Schilke S22, Bach 43, Selmer 19A Balanced
Pic - Weril
Flugel - Courtois 154
Cornet - Geneva Heritage, Conn 28A
Mouthpieces - Monette 1-5 rims and similar.

Licensed Radio Amateur - GM4SVM

[delano]

From the Warburton site:

here are three styles of cornet backbores:

The STANDARD Series - Our standard series models have long established themselves as the most popular choice for nearly any playing situation.

The STAR Series - These were designed to allow each of the STANDARD models to be more free-blowing without the necessity of reaming to a larger bore size. This may help to avoid losing focus sometimes caused by playing too large of a backbore. Since these models were made available, the medium large sizes (7* to 10*) have been very well received by orchestral cornet players.

[GordonH]

Yes, I found the star ones eventually. I wonder if the special Schilke ones woudlwork with other brands of trumpet or whether they are specifically for their receiver set up?
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Bb - Scherzer 8218W, Schilke S22, Bach 43, Selmer 19A Balanced
Pic - Weril
Flugel - Courtois 154
Cornet - Geneva Heritage, Conn 28A
Mouthpieces - Monette 1-5 rims and similar.

Licensed Radio Amateur - GM4SVM

[Christian K. Peters]

Hello Gordon,
I have a 5, S6, 8* and 10* and have used them all for pic playing. I personally have a problem of intonation climbing, the higher I go on the more open backbores. This is true for me for both trumpet and pic playing. Because of this, I try not to go too open on a bb. I will be doing the Messiah again and thought I would try the 10*, but the last practice session was telling me to go back to the 8*. My S6, which is to fit the Schilke leadpipe better, is noticeably a better fit than the others, but the others are not loose or wobbly. Cup sizes have ranged the gamut. I played the Schilke 11AX and 11BX for the longest time. have tried to get the Warburton 5M, 5SV and 6M to work, but the 6S seems to do the trick for me, albeit a little bright. I have a P5-4 and P7 in regards to instruments. What I have not played with in mouthpieces, is throat size. I am hesitant to start drilling out cups on pieces that I mostly like. I would be open to hearing from those who have an earnest knowledge in opening up throats.
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Christian K. Peters
Schilke Loyalist since 1976

[Tony Scodwell]

I used the Warburton 12 backbone for years on my piccolo and changed to a Kanstul made 117 cornet shank piece when I first tried it. Much better sound and more free blowing. The Kanstul piece uses Warburton threads as well.

Tony Scodwell

www.scodwellusa.com

[GordonH]

Thanks guys. I tend to get flatter as I ascend on piccolo. Not massively, but I find my current mouthpiece corrects well for it. I use a JK 7DW which is copied from a Mount Bernon 7DW but with a bigger backbore. That is trumpet shank of course.
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Bb - Scherzer 8218W, Schilke S22, Bach 43, Selmer 19A Balanced
Pic - Weril
Flugel - Courtois 154
Cornet - Geneva Heritage, Conn 28A
Mouthpieces - Monette 1-5 rims and similar.

Licensed Radio Amateur - GM4SVM

[GordonH]

I ended up with an 8* backbore and I am using a James R New S4MS top that I picked up second hand. It is making the right kind of sound and the range is good. I was going to get a Warburton 4SV, but this was available. Rim is very similar to the Horntrader one I use on bigger trumpets.
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Bb - Scherzer 8218W, Schilke S22, Bach 43, Selmer 19A Balanced
Pic - Weril
Flugel - Courtois 154
Cornet - Geneva Heritage, Conn 28A
Mouthpieces - Monette 1-5 rims and similar.

Licensed Radio Amateur - GM4SVM

[charles1963]

Hi Gordon,
What happened to you rotary piccolo? (i have the same one)

[GordonH]